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Anonymous User
August 31, 2001 08:13AM
<HTML>Hi Paul,

> Hi guys, I am new to this board and thought I would say
> a quick hello before I type my question.
>
> HELLO

Welcome to the board.

> Right that is over and done with so, The principle of
> evolution suggests that man went from an ape, crawling on all
> fours, hidden well in under growth or protected in trees to
> us modern humans. How long this took I have no idea but my
> question is this. Why did we evolve at all?

Great question. It's not so much of a why we did but why we did not. Assume that there was only one species of organism on earth. Is it possible that a single species would remain a stable entity, never changing and always remaining the same? Isn't it more likely that any advantageous characteristic that was developed within a single member of the population would benefit their descendants over others? The thing is there are many different possible improvements that a species could develop (eg becoming taller, faster, better armour, sharper teeth/claws, adaptability to a particular environment etc.). Isn't it credible that within even a single species variation is preferable to stasis?

If 2 separated populations within this single species develop completely different beneficial characteristics (one becomes taller the other faster) if they remain separated the differnces between them will escalate. Eventually a time will come (and evolution requires a lot of time) when the separated populations are so different from one another that they are unable to reproduce with one another.

If we accept that genetic mutations occur (and nobody is doubting that not even the creationists) then we have a mechanism by which these improvements can happen. Fair enough the chances of random genetic mutation leading to a positive phenotype are incredibly rare (one in several million I gather) the point is that when it happens the benefit of such a genetic change will be quickly exploited. Just like in business anything new that offers an advantage over your competitor will be quickly seized upon and if you don't adapt in business to new developments you will eventually go under (unless you seize another advantageous opportunity to exploit a different market sector or whatever).

, surely when we
> lost all our fur we would have frozen, surley when we moved
> from hidden in undergrowth on all fours to standing on two
> legs we would have been eaten by anything bigger than a
> human.

It's not advantageous for a predator to kill all the available prey. Also alone we wouldn't have much of a chance against lions and tigers but there's safety in numbers and whatever we evolved from had the same predators to fear. Perhaps the development of a bigger brain gave us an advantage over our evolutionary related closest ancestors. Who knows for sure?

> So why are we here? In my opinion at this early stage
> in our evolution we would have been killed off due to genetic
> mistakes.

Natural selection kills off the genetic mistakes - we're just the mistakes that survived long enough to reproduce. We're here only because our genes are successful - just as the most succesful species of bacteria, insects, plants etc. are all still here.

Cheers,

Duncan</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

An example of evolution

Katherine Reece August 30, 2001 04:06PM

Re: An example of evolution

Don Barone August 30, 2001 08:18PM

Re: An example of evolution

Katherine Reece August 31, 2001 12:19AM

Re: An example of evolution

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 04:35AM

Re: An example of evolution

Claire August 31, 2001 05:13AM

Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Don Barone August 31, 2001 05:30AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 05:53AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:17AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 06:25AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:28AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:34AM

To Mikey:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:34AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:39AM

Re: To Mikey:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:55AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:16AM

Re: To Mikey:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:27AM

Re: To Mikey:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 08:34AM

To Duncan:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:33PM

Re: To Duncan:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:55PM

Re: To Duncan:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 07:16PM

Re: To Duncan:

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:26PM

My last word ... Honest.

Don Barone August 31, 2001 08:06PM

Re: My last word ... Honest.

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 08:24AM

Re: To Duncan:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:05AM

Thanks for the reply ...

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:02AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 06:16AM

It isn't ?

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:30AM

Re: It isn't ?

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 06:35AM

Re: It isn't ?

Don Barone September 03, 2001 07:13AM

Re: It isn't ?

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 07:17AM

Re: It isn't ?

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:23AM

Don - link on abiogenesis

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 08:51AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:16AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 07:20AM

Re: Thanks for the reply ...

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:29AM

Thank You Gentleman !

Don Barone September 03, 2001 08:26AM

Re: Thank You Gentleman !

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 08:36AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:21AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:31AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:53AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 06:57AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:46AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:11AM

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Anthony August 31, 2001 06:41AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 06:50AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Paul Mattock August 31, 2001 07:38AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 07:51AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 08:18AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 08:27AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Adam August 31, 2001 08:32AM

LOL

Claire August 31, 2001 08:36AM

Embarrased as usual

Adam August 31, 2001 09:01AM

Re: Embarrased as usual

Claire August 31, 2001 09:17AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 08:33AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mercury Rapids August 31, 2001 12:31PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 06:27PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Adam August 31, 2001 07:58AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 08:13AM

You may already be a Winner!

Anthony August 31, 2001 12:26PM

Re: You may already be a Winner!

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 04:09AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

lone August 31, 2001 04:09PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 04:54PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

lone August 31, 2001 05:16PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Stephen Tonkin September 01, 2001 12:31AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

lone September 01, 2001 01:06AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Stephen Tonkin September 01, 2001 07:34AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Claire August 31, 2001 06:54AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 06:44AM

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Adam August 31, 2001 07:02AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:14AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Adam August 31, 2001 07:35AM

1 down 89 to go:

Don Barone August 31, 2001 06:57AM

Re: 1 down 89 to go:

Anonymous User August 31, 2001 07:04AM

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Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:13AM

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Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 07:11AM

DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone August 31, 2001 03:44PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Mikey Brass August 31, 2001 04:56PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone August 31, 2001 05:19PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Deano September 02, 2001 06:54PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:21AM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone September 04, 2001 11:38PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 05, 2001 11:31AM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

lone September 05, 2001 08:15PM

Re: DNA decoded ? What a joke.

Anonymous User September 06, 2001 04:16AM

Read your own definition

Anthony August 31, 2001 02:15PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

D.Przezdziecki September 01, 2001 08:26AM

&quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Don Barone September 01, 2001 08:40AM

LOL I sure can Don

D.Przezdziecki September 01, 2001 10:45AM

*smiling * Not a good start ...

Don Barone September 01, 2001 12:19PM

On The Origins of Richard Dawkins

Don Barone September 01, 2001 12:36PM

Re: &quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:25AM

Re: &quot;Bully for Brontosaurus: and other bedtime stories:

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:05AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 03, 2001 11:17AM

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Anonymous User September 03, 2001 11:57AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 04, 2001 09:31PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User September 05, 2001 11:34AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User September 05, 2001 12:54PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 06:48PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 06:54PM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

Anonymous User September 06, 2001 04:00AM

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Mikey Brass September 06, 2001 05:11AM

Re: Evolution: Through the eyes of a &quot;Skeptic&quot;

J.H.v.d.Laar September 05, 2001 08:24PM

Re: An example of evolution

jameske August 31, 2001 11:16PM

Re: An example of evolution

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 08:19AM

Re: An example of evolution

Don Barone September 01, 2001 08:25AM

Re: An example of evolution

Mikey Brass September 01, 2001 12:19PM

Just Curious Mike:

Don Barone September 02, 2001 10:23AM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Mercury Rapids September 02, 2001 05:59PM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Deano September 02, 2001 06:33PM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Mercury Rapids September 03, 2001 09:17AM

Sure, Don...

Anthony September 02, 2001 09:04PM

Re: Sure, Don...

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 02:17AM

Re: Just Curious Mike:

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:40AM

Re: An example of evolution

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 05:29AM

To Duncan and Mikey

Don Barone September 03, 2001 06:13AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Anonymous User September 03, 2001 07:07AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Michael Brass September 03, 2001 09:49AM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Don Barone September 03, 2001 01:59PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 04:13PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mercury Rapids September 03, 2001 05:00PM

Re: To Duncan and Mikey

Mikey Brass September 03, 2001 05:10PM

Re: An example of evolution

J.H.v.d.Laar September 03, 2001 11:35AM



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