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May 20, 2024, 11:41 am UTC    
January 23, 2011 02:33PM
donald r raab Wrote:
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> 1. The mystery is based on what is observed.
> Possiby tons of copper mined and NO local (even
> continental) evidence of its use.

"...It is estimated that there were approximately 500 burials at the Osceola Site. The major contribution of the Osceola Site was the demonstration of a cultural complex that included Old Copper Complex artifacts. The Osceola Site tied Old Copper Complex artifacts to a distinctive chipped stone industry and burial complex..."

"...It was not until June of 1952 that another Old Copper Complex site was discovered, this occurred on the western edge of Oconto, in Oconto County, Wisconsin, near the Oconto River. Thirteen year old Donald Baldwin was playing in an abandoned gravel pit when he found human skeletal remains. Initial investigation by the Oconto County Historical Society revealed numerous burials accompanied by copper artifacts. The site was soon more extensively examined by staff from the Wisconsin Historical Society and Milwaukee Public Museum. It was found that a major portion of the original burial site had been removed by commercial gravel operations in the 1920s but 45 burials were identified as remaining. Associated with these burials were Old Copper Complex artifacts in the form of 7 awls, 4 crescents, 3 clasps, 1 socketed spearpoint, 1 fish-tail spearpoint, 1 ovoid spearpoint, 1 fishhook, 1 coiled copper bead, 1 bracelet, and 1 spatulated artifact. Awls were found to be the most frequently occurring artifact, just as they had been at the Osceola Site..."

"...In 1953, A Late Old Copper Complex site (approximately 3000BP) was discovered in Algoma Township, Winnebago County, Wisconsin, on the south shore of Lake Butte des Mortes, on the farm of Matt Reigh. The Reigh Site, like the Oconto Site, was uncovered in part by commercial gravel operations. Burials of 43 individuals were uncovered along with copper artifacts identified as Old Copper Complex. Prior to the archeological investigation being undertaken, as with the earlier Oconto Site, an unknown number of burials had been destroyed by commercial gravel mining operations..."

"...These three sites, with their in situ skeletal remains, distinctive chipped-stone artifacts and Old Copper Complex copper artifacts, support the unbroken continuity of indigenous peoples in the Upper Great Lakes. Thus, demonstrating that the Old Copper Complex, a culture, or cultures, of indigenous people, was responsible for the copper artifacts being found, rather than being the product of a visiting "foreign" culture, or cultures..."


"...Evidentiary finds at sites in Canada support the findings at the Wisconsin sites. Old Copper Complex artifacts have been found at sites in the Canadian Provinces of Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec.The Morrison Island-6 Site, located on an island in the Ottawa River, was found to contain 18 burials and 276 copper artifacts, including a spud, projectile points, knives, and others. Also of interest was the discovery of worked and unworked copper scraps, indicating copper implement and weapon manufacture on the site. A carbon-14 date places this site at 4700BP, clearly an Old Copper Complex Site. The Caribou Lake Site contained a cremation pit with skeletal fragments and tooth enamel remains, along with copper artifacts. Carbon-14 dating placed this site at 3900BP..."

"...From the 1870s through the 1920s workshop sites were found that contained large quantities of copper chips and fragments, partially finished and some finished tools and implements. Some of these include sites at Two Rivers (Manitowoc County), 4 sites along the Fox River (Marquette County), a site on the Black River south of Sheboygan, several sites in Waupaca County, sites along Green Bay in Oconoto and Brown Counties. Since the 1960s numerous workshop sites have been identified in Vilas and Oneida Counties. Workshop sites have also been identified in Michigan at Osceola near Calumet, Chassell, on the Portage Lake Canal, at Dollar Bay, and Hancock, all in Houghton County..."

"...Old Copper Complex artifacts have been found from Alberta in the west to Quebec in the east in Canada, and as far west as North Dakota, as far east as Delaware and as far south as Kentucky in the United States, but the center of the Old Copper Complex is generally agreed to be in Wisconsin. How did Old Copper Complex artifacts come to be scattered so far afield? The answer to this question is obviously trade. The presence, in Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota, of many specific types of stone and shell artifacts not indigenous to Wisconsin demonstrate that widespread trading took place throughout North America. This is evidenced by the presence of Wyoming obsidian and salt water shells in the Lake Superior Region..."


[copperculture.homestead.com]

Charlie Hatchett
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Where did all the copper go?

Allan Shumaker January 10, 2011 02:20PM

Re: Where did all the copper go?

donald r raab January 10, 2011 04:13PM

Re: Where did all the copper go?

Allan Shumaker January 15, 2011 09:04PM

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donald r raab January 16, 2011 12:43PM

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Hans January 16, 2011 12:08AM

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Allan Shumaker January 16, 2011 10:27AM

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Roxana Cooper January 16, 2011 12:57PM

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Charlie Hatchett January 16, 2011 02:21PM

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Allan Shumaker January 16, 2011 09:16PM

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Roxana Cooper January 17, 2011 12:01PM

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Charlie Hatchett January 17, 2011 08:22PM

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Roxana Cooper January 18, 2011 09:02AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 09:56AM

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Charlie Hatchett January 18, 2011 12:18PM

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Hans January 16, 2011 11:24PM

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Allan Shumaker January 16, 2011 01:50PM

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Charlie Hatchett January 16, 2011 02:19PM

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bernard January 16, 2011 02:39PM

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Frank Hipper January 16, 2011 03:09PM

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Allan Shumaker January 16, 2011 04:02PM

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donald r raab January 16, 2011 08:14PM

Moderation request

Hermione January 17, 2011 06:33AM

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Roxana Cooper January 17, 2011 12:06PM

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Allan Shumaker January 17, 2011 01:08PM

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sansahansan January 18, 2011 08:58AM

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Pete Clarke January 18, 2011 09:10AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:23AM

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sansahansan January 19, 2011 01:21PM

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donald r raab January 19, 2011 03:23PM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 07:35PM

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sansahansan January 20, 2011 10:45AM

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donald r raab January 20, 2011 12:24PM

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sansahansan January 24, 2011 08:55AM

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Roxana Cooper January 21, 2011 09:39AM

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Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 11:16PM

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Allan Shumaker January 18, 2011 09:59AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 10:03AM

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Allan Shumaker January 18, 2011 10:08AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 10:00AM

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Pete Clarke January 18, 2011 10:09AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 10:17AM

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Pete Clarke January 18, 2011 10:34AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:33AM

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sansahansan January 18, 2011 02:45PM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 04:57PM

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Pete Clarke January 19, 2011 03:38AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:37AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:31AM

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Pete Clarke January 19, 2011 09:49AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 07:41PM

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Pete Clarke January 20, 2011 03:43AM

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Roxana Cooper January 20, 2011 09:37AM

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Pete Clarke January 20, 2011 09:50AM

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Roxana Cooper January 21, 2011 09:40AM

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donald r raab January 21, 2011 11:04AM

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Jammer January 18, 2011 10:47AM

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Roxana Cooper January 18, 2011 09:04AM

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Allan Shumaker January 18, 2011 10:02AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:39AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 10:20AM

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Jammer January 18, 2011 10:53AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 02:59AM

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Roxana Cooper January 18, 2011 09:07AM

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donald r raab January 18, 2011 10:05AM

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Roxana Cooper January 19, 2011 09:40AM

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donald r raab January 21, 2011 08:39PM

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sansahansan January 24, 2011 08:58AM

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donald r raab January 24, 2011 09:24AM

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sansahansan January 24, 2011 12:54PM

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donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:13PM

Re: Where did all the copper go?

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 09:46AM

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Khazar-khum January 24, 2011 04:28PM

And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 18, 2011 03:10PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 18, 2011 04:52PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 09:50AM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 09:54AM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 09:59AM

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donald r raab January 19, 2011 11:02AM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Jammer January 19, 2011 12:01PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 12:56PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

sansahansan January 19, 2011 01:33PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Allan Shumaker January 19, 2011 02:31PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 04:21PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

sansahansan January 20, 2011 10:48AM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 20, 2011 12:26PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 05:44PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 05:55PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 06:43PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 06:53PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 03:34PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

sansahansan January 20, 2011 10:58AM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

donald r raab January 19, 2011 05:46PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 01:28PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 01:23PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 01:35PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 05:50PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Allan Shumaker January 18, 2011 06:27PM

Re: And what the hell is this all about:

Charlie Hatchett January 19, 2011 09:55AM

Re: Where did all the copper go?

donald r raab January 20, 2011 12:47PM

Test the copper

donald r raab January 20, 2011 05:29PM

Not sure where this is .........

Katherine Reece January 20, 2011 07:38PM

Re: Not sure where this is .........

donald r raab January 20, 2011 11:54PM

500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Paul H. January 21, 2011 11:10AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Allan Shumaker January 21, 2011 12:09PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 21, 2011 02:02PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 03:21PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 21, 2011 03:56PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 05:04PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Roxana Cooper January 21, 2011 07:13PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

sansahansan January 24, 2011 09:05AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 24, 2011 09:33AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

sansahansan January 24, 2011 01:07PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:20PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

sansahansan January 24, 2011 02:48PM

Prospect Pits

Paul H. January 21, 2011 03:49PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 21, 2011 04:09PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Allan Shumaker January 21, 2011 04:23PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 21, 2011 04:34PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 05:00PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Allan Shumaker January 21, 2011 05:55PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 06:58PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Roxana Cooper January 21, 2011 07:20PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 08:07PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 05:12PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 21, 2011 07:22PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Allan Shumaker January 21, 2011 07:29PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 08:11PM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 21, 2011 08:36PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Katherine Reece January 23, 2011 12:07AM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 23, 2011 01:40AM

Re: Prospect Pits

Katherine Reece January 23, 2011 05:08PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Allan Shumaker January 23, 2011 06:36PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 23, 2011 10:15AM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 23, 2011 01:27PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Charlie Hatchett January 23, 2011 02:33PM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 23, 2011 03:04PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Charlie Hatchett January 23, 2011 09:17PM

Bronze Age

Allan Shumaker January 24, 2011 12:59PM

Re: Bronze Age

donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:29PM

Re: Bronze Age

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 03:48PM

Re: Bronze Age

sansahansan January 24, 2011 03:55PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 09:52AM

Re: Prospect Pits

Pete Clarke January 24, 2011 10:06AM

Re: Prospect Pits

sansahansan January 24, 2011 01:09PM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:23PM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 24, 2011 10:36AM

Re: Prospect Pits

sansahansan January 24, 2011 01:12PM

Re: Prospect Pits

donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:27PM

Re: Prospect Pits

sansahansan January 24, 2011 03:03PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Khazar-khum January 24, 2011 04:35PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 07:32PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Hans January 25, 2011 11:17PM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 26, 2011 11:13AM

Re: Prospect Pits

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 09:49AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

donald r raab January 21, 2011 04:47PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Allan Shumaker January 21, 2011 05:00PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 05:14PM

Re: Okay.....

Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 05:57PM

Re: Okay.....

Charlie Hatchett January 21, 2011 07:00PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Rick Baudé January 21, 2011 11:11PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 22, 2011 11:09AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Katherine Reece January 23, 2011 05:10PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Charlie Hatchett January 23, 2011 09:19PM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Doug Weller January 26, 2011 10:15AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Allan Shumaker January 26, 2011 10:34AM

Re: 500,000 Tons of Copper Mined - Whose Estimate is This ???

Doug Weller January 28, 2011 01:18AM

Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker January 22, 2011 12:21AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 02:33PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker January 22, 2011 04:33PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 04:53PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker January 22, 2011 05:43PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 06:54PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 05:21PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker January 22, 2011 05:56PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 06:34PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker January 22, 2011 07:08PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Roxana Cooper January 22, 2011 08:44PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 22, 2011 09:21PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Hans January 23, 2011 01:40AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Roxana Cooper January 23, 2011 10:20AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 23, 2011 01:22PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Rebby January 23, 2011 01:38PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 23, 2011 02:13PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Rebby January 23, 2011 02:34PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 23, 2011 03:09PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Rebby January 23, 2011 03:13PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:22AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 09:58AM

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donald r raab January 24, 2011 02:30AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Roxana Cooper January 24, 2011 09:56AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Katherine Reece January 23, 2011 05:12PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Khodok January 23, 2011 05:40PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab January 23, 2011 11:39PM

Re: Where did all the copper go?

Sam Salmon January 27, 2011 12:19AM

Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Allan Shumaker August 06, 2011 09:38AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

Hermione August 06, 2011 09:48AM

**Moderation request**

Hermione August 06, 2011 09:51AM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

donald r raab August 06, 2011 01:01PM

Re: Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

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