January 22, 2011 05:21PM
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Lets see here.
1. Plato describing the Atlantic as navigable sometime in the past. The description of the dead area (Sargosso sea) implies concrete knowledge.
2. Hints of some kind of ancient sea culture with relaible sailing/rowing skills. (hancock-Schoch among many others).
3. Peri-reis map which implies knowledge about areas not yet explored BEFORE Columbus.
4. Vinland map implying Atlantic sea knowledge.
5. The Chines connection as the possible sea farers.
The same story and always in them the use of each others speculations as evidence. Always the weakest part of the story.
The one link you offered has a really great synopsis of the leaps and speculations that in the end seem to tie together the narrative. Invert each of the items and it bcomes the classical debunk scenario.
To me and me alone.
1. Long term over many cultures stories of seafaring beyond local are a pretty stong indication that there is fire somewhere with the multitude of smoke.
2. The issue of WHO it was is still NOT determined. it is possible that there is no one.
3. Holding the bag just in case.
Now for a personal question. I've thought you are a large time cattle rancher. Having lived in farming country at times that kind of work is 24/7 and hardly appreciated by anyone not doing it. How do you find time to scour up all of this interesing stuff?
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