<HTML>Claire wrote:
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> To be fair Posnansky's date for Tiwanaku has been backed
> (shall I overdo the italics also ~lol~) <i>recently</i> by
> Rivera and Steede.
Considering that the former is, AFAIK, nothing but an <i>administrator</i> with no archaeological training whatsoever and, again AFAK, expressed it as an <i>opinion</i> that's hardly relevant.
wrt Steede, here's a <a href="[
www.andrewcollins.net]; of his lecture at last years <i>Questing Conference</i>. Considering it was entitled "From Tiahuanaco to the Giza Plateau" hardly gives confidence in his work.....
Look at what Andrew Collins writes:
"This time-scale is within 1,000 years of Arthur Posnansky's own calculations made some 60 years ago. Yet Neil feels, for his own reasons, that the true foundation date of the Kalasasaya Court is nearer 7000-5000 BC."
Er ! He gets a similar answer to Posnansky and then rejects it !
No mention of any of the well documented <a href="[
www.intersurf.com]; with the site:
"Astronomical Dating
A problem is that Tiwanaku, also called "Tiahuanaco,"
is completely unsuitable for dating by archaeoastronomy.
In order to do this type of analysis, the structure have
to be undisturbed by prehistoric and historic alteration
and reconstruction. Unfortunately, these have all taken
place extensively at Tiwanaku.
First, Tiwanaku, including the Kalasasaya, have been badly
damaged by the mining of stones within, defacing of
structures, and altered by well-meaning, but ill-considered
reconstructions. The massive disturbance of this site has
been noted by a variety of observers, including people who
are nonarchaeologists and without reason to suppress
anomalous archaeological finds.
For example, the disturbance of Tiwanaku, "Tiahuanaco,"
was described in the politically incorrect and less than
polite language of his day by Verrill (1929) when he wrote:
"Through the ages that had then passed since Tiahuanaco
had become a veritable "Place of the Dead" and, through
the centuries that have passed since the days of Incan
dominion, this most ancient American city has been
desecrated, looted, literally torn to bits. Choice portions
of its magnificent sculptured stone work have been
carried off by the natives and used to build their own
miserable huts, and there is scarcely an Indian dwelling
within miles of the ruins that does not possess a doorstep,
a lintel, or some portion of its walls formed of fragments
of Tiahuanaco. Even the rough, narrow, filthy streets of
the villages are, in places, roughly paved with pieces of
carved or worked stones filched from the ruins. The
little Spanish church at the modern village of Tiahuanaco
is almost entirely constructed of portions of the ancient
town, and flanking the entrance are the heads and
shoulders of two colossal stone images that were
ruthlessly knocked from the bodies of Tiahuanaco's
stone gods. The Indian farmers have surrounded their
stony thin soiled fields with walls constructed of
stonework from the ruins, and vandals, collectors, and
curio seekers have done their part. But the greatest
damage of all, the most ruthless and inexcusable
destruction, was caused by the railway whose tracks run
directly through the center of the ancient city. Thousands
of tons of stone, idols, statues, monoliths, carved
columns, magnificent doorways, immense slabs and
priceless sculptures were broken up, crushed and used
for ballasting the tracks."
Clearly, long before Posnansky (1943) studied Tiwanaku, it
had been badly disturbed. He was studying a site severely
damaged by stone mining, looting, and vandalism. As a
result, even his pains-taking study of the site would have
been badly skewed by the severe disturbance to this site.
This is one reason why his dating of Tiwanaku has been
ignored by archaeologists."
Then we get onto what Steede had to say about Giza:
"From Tiahuanaco Neil turned his attentions to the Giza plateau. He proposed that the Grand Gallery of the Great Pyramid was designed to incorporate some kind of hydraulic system involving water being used to float stones up to higher levels during the construction of the monument. The King's Chamber would also have been filled with water via the so-called air shafts which link to the outside. Neil also spoke of the predominance of regular geometry involving the angle of 26.5 degrees in connection with the Giza pyramids and their satellites, something which is not found in connection with the Sphinx."
Yes, it's <a href="[
www.thepump.org] Pump</a> again ! Do you know the <i>significance</i> of 26.5 degrees ? It's the slope you get from a triangle with the opposite/adjacent sides as two units and one unit - hardly earth shattering !
> You always forget to mention that.
I'm happy to mention that pair of jokers as often as you like !
> Hmmmm........
You hmmm it, I'll play it !
John</HTML>
