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May 16, 2024, 9:21 pm UTC    
August 02, 2005 11:17AM
Katherine Reece Wrote:
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> Not that I can tell !! .... I'd love to know
> more about the blue egg chickens in Europe though!
>
> Kat
>

All I've got on that is the mention of a (Spanish?) historian named Cabot, who described a Spanish breed laying blue eggs in 1526..... and some uncited references and poorly translated articles on Hungarian/etc chickens (for some reason, Magyar is NOT a language for which online translation is available) that really make it sound like the latter had blue egg laying types among them. There used to be an English mirror of one of the Hungarian chicken websites, but it fell offline perhaps a year ago.

Mind you, the vast majority (90%?) of the European Poultry genepool has been lost during the last century, so they may no longer exist. White (and to a lesser extent, brown) eggs had social/commercial appeal, and offtypes were gradually abandoned by commercial poultry raisers. "Improved" American (U.S.) poultry breeds were also imported & crowded out most of the traditional meat/egg breeds.

Likewise, the world wars did a lot of damage.... one scientific article on Hungarian poultry germplasm said that WWII almost entirely wiped out the traditional Hungarian strains..... they'd have lost it all save that one dedicated researcher went hunting (with govt money) and managed to scrounge up one chicken here, two elsewhere, and so on until he had the makings of 1-2 small-to-medium flocks for "most" of the original breeds. They managed to save the Transylvanian naked neck chicken (sometimes called a "Turken", looking like a Turkey-Chicken cross!) & most of the Hungarian Frizzle breeds this way (mostly Asian chicken ancestry in these, dating back to the 9th century).

Heh, even the U.S. has lost most of it's old breeds (via "modernization"). I know some people in the heirloom poultry business (I can give you contact info if you ever want to grow heirloom poultry.... they're up in Iowa). Funnily enough, certain of these have survived in Asia (as cockfighting breeds, or as parental strains used to produce certain types of cockfighting hybrids) while they died out in the U.S.

Kenuchelover.
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Human Lymphocyte Antigens: Apparent Afro-Asiatic, Southern Asian, & European HLAs in Indigenous American Populations

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 11:22AM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 11:33AM

Moderation Note

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 11:35AM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 01:20PM

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John Wall August 17, 2005 02:35PM

Moderation Note to Mihos

Katherine Reece July 31, 2005 04:15PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 11:04AM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 01:14PM

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kenuchelover August 01, 2005 07:00PM

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kenuchelover July 31, 2005 05:45PM

Totally irrellevant nonsense.

kenuchelover July 31, 2005 05:28PM

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Mihos August 01, 2005 08:20AM

Re: Totally irrellevant nonsense.

kenuchelover August 01, 2005 07:57PM

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bernard July 31, 2005 10:58PM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 12:38AM

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bernard August 02, 2005 10:41AM

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Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 10:44AM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 11:17AM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 01:59PM

Whoa!

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 02:07PM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 03:07PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 03:56PM

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Sourial Ma'ahes Amoun August 02, 2005 04:06PM

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Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:09PM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 04:16PM

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Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:19PM

Mihos still hasn't a clue, finally admits no credentials & merely half recalls OLD private theory of elderly Japanese researcher.

kenuchelover August 02, 2005 03:45PM

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Sourial Ma'ahes Amoun August 02, 2005 03:59PM

Mihos.... a word please....

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:02PM

\ OLD private theory of elderly Japanese researcher.

Mihos August 02, 2005 04:37PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 04:48PM

irrelevant

bernard August 02, 2005 03:54PM

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bernard August 02, 2005 04:52PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 04:59PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 01:08PM

Using people's names in posts

Doug Weller August 02, 2005 01:19PM

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David Campbell August 02, 2005 04:04PM

Moderation Note

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:06PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 04:39PM

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Hans July 31, 2005 12:38PM

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bernard July 31, 2005 05:27PM

Thread reopened

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 05:45PM



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