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May 16, 2024, 7:56 am UTC    
August 01, 2005 09:54AM
squash! These are very good points Katherine. And the genetic evidence? South American fowl couldn't have come with the Europeans because the genetic difference between them and their nearest relatives in Saipan and Rapanui are too divergent from one another. It took many thousands of generations of genetic isolation to perpetuate their unique signatures.
The South American stock brought from Peru to Japan had a major problem once DNA was affordable enough to use as a tool. They had to dump upwards of forty percent of the pioneer stock because those birds had been admixtured with domestic fowl of the Mediterranean genome. In a matter of a few hundred years the stock had been almost obliterated by interbreeding with the European chickens. In trials the authors crossed Green jf to bankiva and spadiceus females and determined that it took at least 1500 years to arrive at the Rapanui 'species' threshold. It is genetically so distinctive it was actually described as Gallus violaceous. The colloncas and quechua hens appeared genetically to be derived from Rapanui hens but the colloncas had genetic markers from a unique group of domestic fowl only found in Saipan and the Phillipines.
Yamashina determined that the Peruvians must have had more than one source of domestic fowl but suggested that like the Oceanic islands, the entire population of fowls of a given culture may have originated from no more than a handful of founders.
He explained during the congress that he believed that no more than twenty or forty pioneer fowl arrived in South America from Rapanui and that event may have only occured two or three times based on the genetics of the South American stock derived of Rapanui stock alone. THe blue egg came about due to a high degree of copper in the soil. Green jf lay a tinted egg that is effected by trace minerals and so on consumed in the crustaceans they eat. Alot of his colleagues pshawed his findings. But now the nuclear DNA has also been studied and his theory is very compelling. ALso, it should be noted,
that though these fowls are described as chickens none are larger than an Alectoris partridge. Ive actually examined skins of these specimens and a living bird as well. It was about the size and weight of a Chukar. If I were to find its bones I might think they were quail or partridge bones before thinking they were pheasant or junglefowl because of their diminutive size. If any of you have seen a pheasant a red jf is about the same size. THe South American and Easter Island fowl are roughly a quarter of that size. They do not make chicken sounds either.
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Human Lymphocyte Antigens: Apparent Afro-Asiatic, Southern Asian, & European HLAs in Indigenous American Populations

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Mihos August 02, 2005 11:33AM

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John Wall August 17, 2005 02:35PM

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kenuchelover July 31, 2005 05:45PM

Totally irrellevant nonsense.

kenuchelover July 31, 2005 05:28PM

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Mihos August 01, 2005 08:20AM

Re: Totally irrellevant nonsense.

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Mihos August 02, 2005 01:59PM

Whoa!

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 02:07PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 03:56PM

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Mihos August 02, 2005 04:16PM

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Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:19PM

Mihos still hasn't a clue, finally admits no credentials & merely half recalls OLD private theory of elderly Japanese researcher.

kenuchelover August 02, 2005 03:45PM

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Sourial Ma'ahes Amoun August 02, 2005 03:59PM

Mihos.... a word please....

Katherine Reece August 02, 2005 04:02PM

\ OLD private theory of elderly Japanese researcher.

Mihos August 02, 2005 04:37PM

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kenuchelover August 02, 2005 04:48PM

irrelevant

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Using people's names in posts

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Hans July 31, 2005 12:38PM

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bernard July 31, 2005 05:27PM

Thread reopened

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