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jameske
August 08, 2001 07:27AM
<HTML>Hi Anthony,

I have to agree with Derek and DP here, and it is not often that Derek and I would agree on anything :-). Derek has presented similar technology to what is presented in the photos. Although, if I understand him correctly he is implicitly using Ockham's Razor as a rule to distinguish between your undisclosed theory and his one, as his claim is that the technology he has given us links to accounts for the Leedskalnin method - which would amount to a conventional method being used.

You have not yet presented anything in the way of evidence. You have presented certain allusions and people have to guess - last time I checked science doesn't work that way - although the 'tail in the donkey' method might be fun it can hardly be said to offer anything like evidence. Whilst I supported you on your original thread regarding your revelations on GHMB I cannot here. The burden of proof is on you as much as it is on Derek. Derek has provided something. You have as yet provided nothing. Now, as far as I am concerned, considering the circumstances you are in, that is fine. I see no reason why you should disclose details until your patent application is fully dealt with (although, if you are right about Ed Leedskalnin's method then I do have reservations at you patenting something you did not invent if it is purely for your own financial gain - I hear that an Australian Lawyer is attempting to patent the wheel - he could become a very rich man). But, in any case, you either have to challenge Derek's evidence or bite your tongue until disclosure time.

Now perhaps you do not need to release details of the machine itself. But you could challenge Derek by providing documentation and analysis of the visible technology in the Coral Castle photos. For example, what proof have you that the tripods, the chains et al could not have lifted a 30 ton block? Do you know for certain that the chains are cast iron and have you documentation that the chains could not tolerate 30 ton blocks? What are these fingerprints you refer to that categorically support your position and not Derek's position?

I don't see why Derek has to prove or retract his theory. As a theory on the Leedskalnin method it stands independently of your own and those of others. Derek might want to expand his evidence to include answers to some of the above questions but that is up to him.

Kat may attest to your machine working but that is insufficient for evidence. It is an endorsement of your position but cannot add anything at all to the actual science related to your theory. Watson and Crick would not have won the Nobel Prize had they said that 'their mate Kat agrees that they have the correct structure for DNA.' Now, you might have secretly replicated Leedskalnin's original work which would validate his theory BUT since he did not disclose his theory (keeping it in a box - shielding :-) then that leaves us with the necessity of seeing your work replicated by someone else to validate your theory. At the moment we have none of those things. It seems to me that, if you are correct, then your work should include refutations that exclude the possibility of conventional means being used for Coral Castle. For your theory to be chosen amongst all the others it must be the best candidate.

Jameske</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Hand operated chain hoists. Was Coral Castle.

Derek Barnett August 07, 2001 04:06PM

Ed Story #1

KatDawg August 07, 2001 04:25PM

Ed Story #2

KatDawg August 07, 2001 04:27PM

Re: Ed Story #2

Anthony August 07, 2001 05:07PM

Re: Ed Story #2

Greg Reeder August 07, 2001 05:15PM

Greg

Anthony August 08, 2001 05:25AM

Re: Greg

jameske August 08, 2001 09:12AM

Re: Greg

jameske August 08, 2001 09:22AM

Re:NOT in the BOX?

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 10:04AM

If it walk like a hoist and quack like a hoist

D.Przezdziecki August 07, 2001 06:07PM

Re: Ed Story #2

penny August 07, 2001 08:00PM

A thought for Penny

Anthony August 08, 2001 05:19AM

Re: A thought for Penny

penny August 08, 2001 07:08PM

Re: Hand operated chain hoists. Was Coral Castle.

Litz August 07, 2001 04:28PM

Re: Hand operated chain hoists. Was Coral Castle.

Derek Barnett August 07, 2001 04:40PM

Re: Hand operated chain hoists. Was Coral Castle.

Greg Reeder August 07, 2001 04:39PM

Re: Hand operated chain hoists. Was Coral Castle.

Katherine Reece August 07, 2001 04:52PM

Specs

Anthony August 07, 2001 04:55PM

Specs, some people could use a pair.

Derek Barnett August 07, 2001 05:23PM

Re: Specs, some people could use a pair.

Anthony August 07, 2001 10:00PM

Re: Specs, some people could use a pair.

Derek Barnett August 08, 2001 01:53AM

Re: Specs, some people could use a pair.

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 01:56AM

Burden of proof

Anthony August 08, 2001 05:05AM

Re: Burden of proof

D.Przezdziecki August 08, 2001 06:38AM

Re: Burden of proof

jameske August 08, 2001 07:27AM

Missing the Big Picture

Tman August 08, 2001 09:34AM

Re: Missing the Big Picture

jameske August 08, 2001 09:39AM

Re: Missing the Big Picture

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 09:45AM

Re: Missing the Big Picture

Tman August 08, 2001 09:56AM

Greg is correct here

Anthony August 08, 2001 10:57AM

The B word.

Derek Barnett August 08, 2001 12:28PM

Re: The B word.

Anthony August 08, 2001 12:42PM

Re: The B word.

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 12:53PM

Blah, blah, blah.

Derek Barnett August 08, 2001 01:06PM

Ed Story #3

KatDawg August 08, 2001 09:51AM

Re: Ed Story #3

D.Przezdziecki August 08, 2001 10:21AM

Re: Ed Story #3

Tman August 08, 2001 10:26AM

Re: Ed Story #3

D.Przezdziecki August 08, 2001 10:56AM

Ed's horizontal movement

Anthony August 08, 2001 11:01AM

Re: Ed Story #3

Anthony August 08, 2001 10:58AM

Re: Ed Story #3

KatDawg August 08, 2001 11:17AM

Re: Ed Story #3

Tman August 08, 2001 11:47AM

The Mystery of the 9 Ton Gate

Anthony August 08, 2001 12:35PM

Re: The Mystery of the 9 Ton Gate

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 12:57PM

Re: The Mystery of the 9 Ton Gate

Tman August 08, 2001 02:13PM

Re: Ed Story #3

Anthony August 08, 2001 12:28PM

Occam's Razor Applications

Anthony August 08, 2001 12:27PM

Re: Occam's Razor Applications

Greg Reeder August 08, 2001 12:50PM

Ed Story #4

KatDawg August 08, 2001 02:19PM



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