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Katherine Reece Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Roxana Cooper Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I'm still trying to figure out how cast > concrete > > blocks are simpler or more believable > > than cut stone ones. > > As near as I can tell just because its not what > Egyby cladking - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm still trying to figure out how cast concrete > blocks are simpler or more believable > than cut stone ones. BTW exactly how did the > Egyptians waterproof thosse cooling > galleries? and how did they get massess of water > from the river daily, bucket > brigades? "by cladking - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The remains of the workmen's town, their cemetary, > the quarry rubble and > even the remains of couple of ramps don't count as > evidence of the means? I don't believe anyone disputes that men were employed at building the pyramid and that at least some were quartered here. Aby cladking - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The 100,000 men figure comes from Herodotus who is > just a wee bit outdated. > I believe the modern figure is in the 10,000 > range. I repeat: we have archaeological > evidence of a massive concentration of manpower on > the site complete with a near > city to provide logistical support. Yby cladking - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Unfortunately for your theory we have > archaeological record of teams thanks to the > graffitti workmen painted on some blocks; 'Friends > of Khufu' and of course the > famed 'Drunks of Khufu'! Not only teams but team > spirit and even, possibly a > certain amount of coby cladking - Ancient History
I've never really understood the point of a bucket brigade. It tends to slow everyone down to the level of the poorest worker. It can work reasonably well if you can keep the buckets swinging since you only have to grasp the handle and pass it on to the next man. If there's room to work then I can usually deliver about as much material as three men in a brigade. But hereinby cladking - Ancient History
Thadd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 1) 60 pounds 200'? That is not that impressive, > 60lbs is certainly a normal amount of weight for > people to have to move. > This is probably like moving about 6-7 gallon jugs > of water. Using a bucket brigade approach then each man would have to lift one seven gallon bucket times the number oby cladking - Ancient History
Thadd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, to lets say that there are 2,300,000 stones > and 50,000 people, who can each be taxed for > roughly 1/4 of a years work, or 91.25 days per > year.(the rest of the people and the rest of the > 50,000 people's time is devoted to non-pyramid > works) > > That means that each individby cladking - Ancient History
Katherine Reece Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cladking Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > It's one of scale. The pyramid is more > massive. > > > > Excuse me? Earlier you said that you didn't > believe it was possible > "using primarily physical effortby cladking - Ancient History
Katherine Reece Wrote: > > And remember that the Incas were dragging them > with ropes UPHILL. If the Incas could move these > massive stones uphill with no technology except > for pure physical manpower why couldn't the > Egyptians? > It's one of scale. The pyramid is more massive. One of the first things you learn building walls with stoneby cladking - Ancient History
Ronald Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Cladking, > > > In the understanding of AE, we really must > disconnect ourselves from the present-day world. > We are used to our machines, technology, > computers, etc. Of course, the AE did not have all > this. So, really, they must have done it mostly > with physicalby cladking - Ancient History
"You misunderstand ... its not that we don't want to know ... we've looked at these alternative ideas for quite some time... our dismissal of them is because they don't hold water." Generally speaking ALL of the construction theories seem at least a little far fetched to me but none so much so as the concept of dragging great blocks and then levering them up the siby cladking - Ancient History
"Never underestimate what can be accomplished with the unlimited manpower and revenues at the disposal of a god-king. Besides we've got archaeological evidence of the massive workforce in place at Giza for the project, and the quarrying. What we don't have is any evidence of cement mixing or molding which frankly strikes me as odd if it was going on." I should havby cladking - Ancient History
"Never underestimate what can be accomplished with the unlimited manpower and revenues at the disposal of a god-king. Besides we've got archaeological evidence of the massive workforce in place at Giza for the project, and the quarrying. What we don't have is any evidence of cement mixing or molding which frankly strikes me as odd if it was going on." They didn'by cladking - Ancient History
The amount of physical labor required to complete this task with the methods usually ascribed is simply staggering. It is not only the vast amount of effort, planning, and wealth required to be brought to bear but also the limited space in which they have to concentrate all this effort. It seems obvious that means were employed that reduced the physical effort required to quarry, mby cladking - Ancient History
I have two problems with the idea of thjese being cement. First and foremost the amount of work done to build these is in no way diminished. There's still just as much mass (even more with drying) to haul up the side of the pyramid. The other is that it doesn't really cut back on the amount of quarrying required. The same volume of stone has to be removed but now it also has tby cladking - Ancient History
Does this god date back to prehistoric time or was he a later developement? I'd be interested in any fact or opinion concerning Min as well as Qetesh. Thank you very much in advance.by cladking - Ancient History
You could well be right that the Egyptian didn't use trig or even decimal but their building certainly implies an understanding of basic arithmetic and algebra. There are many ways to arrive at the answer to math problems by using simpler math. Before the calculus people still needed to solve problems which were in effect, calculus. It would seem apparent that the pyramid buildeby cladking - Ancient History
"Particularly as they would have had to explain concepts that there is no evidence that they had any understanding of or even the language to describe." Any idea can be expressed in any modern language. Indeed in all probability it was the invention of modern language and symbolic thinking 45,000 years ago which defines the species. This was, no doubt, the result of a muby cladking - Ancient History
I'm highly dubious. Such important developements spread rapidly and shouldn't have taken 2000 years to get to the rest of the world.by cladking - Ancient History
Thanks for the links. Due to the fact that Vyse found a fissure at the opening of the pyramid I'm working my crackpot idea about counterweights again. He also mentions that ancient reports say the stones moved up to the pyramids 300' at a time which implies a mechanical means and is consistent with the use of counterweights. I've been led in a surprising direction by the gby cladking - Ancient History
These "u"-shaped structures are all over the desert. There are numerous ones just west of the step pyramid and down at the level of Fayoum. Some appear to be modern and in use and some appear ancient. Most appear to be protecting structures from sandstorms from the SW but I've not seen any in a circle. I've seen them only in the sattelite pictures and have no special knowlby cladking - Ancient History
If this isn't a mortal blow, it's at the very least a severe wound. Let me ponder this a bit before it gets buried.by cladking - Ancient History
I've zoomed in on the structures in reference. Oops! Wrong picture. Here's the one from Giza: >"This is an image of the escarpment at the edge of the Giza plateau. Why are you surprised that the plateau has an edge?" It simply confirms to me that these are rock and not just sand. I spent hours searching for this picture. Thby cladking - Ancient History
It sure is great for me being totally ignorant on all these topics. I never have to worry about supporting evidence because I made it all up from the few sources I believe. Sorry, didn't mean to distract a good conversation among those who obviously know a great deal.by cladking - Ancient History
>"You posted images of two collapsed pyramids. These were later constructs, made of rubble with a stone casing to contain it. They are not the same technology as the megalithic pyramids, and resemble a streamlined construction model." In this particular case the pyramids are of relatively little interest to me. It is the structures jutting out to the north west and west on thby cladking - Ancient History
>"By the way, I do not believe that these grooves are primarily the result of water-erosion. But it's of course possible they were enlarged secundarily by different kinds of erosion." These midpoints would tend to channel water preferentially to the rest of the side but this would not be a strong effect even as they wore deeper. I agree that it's improbable they areby cladking - Ancient History
The only reference I've found to the pit under the pyramid is that it had been cleaned out hundreds of years ago but has been filled in since. If an authoritative reference states that this was entirely ex- cavated including any stones in it then I'd agree that the theory is entirely deflated. I'd be interested if you're aware of such a reference and most appreciaby cladking - Ancient History
>"> Carved candlewax formations and ditches. None. " >"It didn't need an outlet. It dried up every summer. Desert, remember?" This is entirely possible. I Don't believe it though. The concept of a river with a dead-end arm is simply abhorant. It's exceedingly difficult to imagine that a river channel will be carved from simply fby cladking - Ancient History
"Houdin proposed mounting a joint expedition of Egyptian antiquities experts and French engineers to examine the pyramid using non-invasive methods, such as infra-red and radar." It is exactly this sort of thing that implies there is an orthodoxy and Hawaas intends to defend it.by cladking - Ancient History