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Don Barone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Hermione wrote: > ... There's a maximum variation of about a quarter > of an inch, which works out at about 1%. On the > supposed 2000 cubit line, that's 20 cubit. ... Don wrote: > Aw yes but as Wayne has already pointed out the > only distance that appears totally exact is the > souby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > Please discuss that with Graham if he chooses to > adopt it. Thanks for your reply, although I have to say that I did find it a little disappointing.by Hermione - Ancient History
Don Barone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And it there are say about 20 theories they can > all be shown to relate back to geometry. Here you yourself provide a specific reference to "at least a hundred geometric measurements".by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > Thanks very much for the quotes. (They were suggested to me: I'll pass your thanks on). > Just a double check - was the kings name mentioned > in the graffiti specifically that of Radjedef ? Yes, it was.by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > My assertion is that the "quarter-base" method > works. As Lobo-Hotei pointed out here, "correlation is not causation". That's all you have, I'm afraid: a "fit", and nothing more.by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > While I have not accepted the proposition that > there was a simultaneous plan (either general or > specific) for two or more pyramids, I do not think > Petrie's varying cubits disproves the idea. > > It would not be unreasonable to believe that > benchmarks were set for G2 and G3 at the time of > building G1 and that an interior plan was &gby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne , > I do not accept your assertion that surveyors > would not have been allowed. Thus, you have the > burden of proving your assertion. No, I'm afraid that the onus is on you to prove a positive; it's not on someone else to prove a negative. Have you researched the operation of Old Kingdom Mortuary Complexes? Have you established who would, or wouldnby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > That the pyramid at Abu Roash was not Djedefre's > orginally is a line worth pursuing. > The archaelogical evidence does not preclude it. > There were some later additions around the pyramid > with a different orientation. It's been explained to me that the pyramid at Abu Rowash was definitely Djedefre's, and was substantially completed, as demby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Ritva, > IIRC there have been suggestions of "pyramid > industry" i.e. a couple of pyramids being built at > the same time... It's been pointed out to me that this has been suggested by Kurt Mendelssohn in "The riddle of the pyramids", and more recently by El Mahdy in her book on Khufu. However, it's a bit of a damp squib, as there's a Yearby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham Chase Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would not be just clearing the remnants, > Djedefre would be building simultaneously with his > father Khufu. The Giza site could hardly cater for > two on-going projects of that size. > > If the pyramid supposed to be for the next king > was G2, the one eventually for Khafre, then it &by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Ritva, > Hi Graham, > > I don't think 8 pyramids of all existent is > enough. Moreover, I have a problem with one king > using different kind of orientation methods smack > in the middle of generations using another, rather > precise one. > Not only this, but the way she used erroneous data > and gave it as a fact, fully knowing that the > precisby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > The cubit that is generally accepted is Petrie's > which is 20.62 inches. > There is no issue here regarding this for the Giza > measurements. You haven't answered the question, I'm afraid. On this link, scroll down to Section 137; there, you will see several variants of cubit values, each one derived from Giza. This variation does suggest a lacby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > > 1. I do not accept that non-priests were never > allowed inside the complex--especially when acting > on behalf of the pharaoh and for a "priestly > purpose" (i.e., planning the next funerary > complex). > > 2. Most priests also held secular posts. Thus, > surveyor-priest. > > 1. Note, 2. Giza Quarter-base Solution Couby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Then I have failed in making my point to you I couldn't establish what your point was, Johnee.by Hermione - Ancient History
rich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anybody know where Khemmis is? There's apparently an article that might be of interest (I've not read it) by Alan Lloyd, 'Perseus and Chemmis’, Journal of Hellenic Studies 89 (1969): 79–86.by Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Most mainstream scholars have moved the date of > the Deluge to when? It depends what you mean by "the Deluge". There are many theories ... > Most mainstream scholars seem to discount the > Deluge as a myths about local flooding; There are many theories, and many possibilities. > Thby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quote:Yes, but various errors and scientific > impossibilities have been shown in Usher's work. I > think any correspondence is more coincidence than > meaningful historical evidence. > Have there indeed, the question has keep many > scholars occupied for centuries. Ussher's theories, thoby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If James Ussher’s treatise on chronology, is > irrelevant to ancient texts on the Great Flood. > Then I apologise for introducing it and will > withdraw from your topic. You don't have to post unless you want to, Johnee. But I would be interested in learning why you thought Ussher was relevant herby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As I understand the OT story those born before the > deluge lived for hundreds of years. > Those born before the deluge and survived it, also > lived for hundreds of years. These are traditional accounts. Why are you taking them literally? > The ‘span of days’ for those born after the deluge > wby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It happens to be a very neat coincidence that I am > prepared to accept. What coincidence? > One either does or one doesn’t and all and > everything is questioned. What does this statement mean? > > But it is interesting no less that a dating > clerically accepted for three hundred yearsby Hermione - Ancient History
Thadd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the important question here is following > the biblical dating layed out by Usher, which has > been questioned by many, and which of course > neglegts the actual process of writing that went > into the bilbical text. As I said in another post, what relevance do Ussher's attempts at dating Bby Hermione - Ancient History
Johnee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James Ussher (1581-1656), Archbishop of Armagh, > Primate of All Ireland, and Vice-Chancellor of > Trinity College in Dublin was highly regarded in > his day as a churchman and as a scholar. Of his > many works, his treatise on chronology has proved > the most durable. Based on an intricate > corrby Hermione - Ancient History
rich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Eridu Genesis - Date 3d millennium BCE > Atrahasis - c.1640 > Gilgameš - BCE c.1100 > Bible - BCE c.1000-500 > Berossus - BCE 278 > Greece - BCE c.700 BCE? > Quran - c.600 CE" > ******* > Gigamesh is placed around 2700BC. > > > Not many schollars are going to put Nby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham Chase Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Whatever you think of the exercise, any attempt to > explain a geometry must take into consideration > the three alignment bases. To assume an average > one as so many have done in the past will not give > a proper result. > So whether you call it special pleading or not, > does not get rby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > > >they'd create so many problems for anyone > trying to carry out a survey > > How so? The area inside the mortuary temple and temenos wall - some 7-8m high, if you recall - was a sacred space. The reason why the wall was so high was to keep people out ("people" here would include surveyors checking measurements, etc.) The only people aby Hermione - Ancient History
dea, You might want to get into the habit of posting separate responses individually. Bernard won't necessarily see a post addressed to Roxana. This - - is the link to Bernard's post to you. I suggest that you copy and paste your reply to him there. Hermione > And for Bernard: > > I was not jumping from pillar to post when I told > you about the Italian skyby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > >I think that it's important to bear in mind, > though, that there were temenos walls, about 7 or > 8 metres in height, around the pyramids, as well > as walls around the individual complexes. > > Why? Because they'd create so many problems for anyone trying to carry out a survey (to say nothing of the fact that there might have been varioby Hermione - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Right. We start discussing the charms of English > men this topic could go anywhere -by Hermione - Humanities
Hi C Wayne, > I suggest that the builders of G3 may have > carefully re-surveyed G1, G2, and their relative > positions. They then could have drawn an accurate > plan on a smooth floor (their drafting table). > From this, they could have developed their plan > for G3. They would have known the orientation > needed. The rest is field work. > > >why wasby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > No I can not. > > But then again if Giza is the only one (and wasn't > it built by one particular family) then it is kind > of an unfair question isn't it > > Father plans complex for himself, his son and his > grandson ... what is so bizarre about that ? But Giza wasn't the only funerary complex. Funerary complexes where several fby Hermione - Ancient History