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Hi Graham, > "It's because they weren't star shafts" (Graham): > They were I'm afraid that the author of "The Star Alignment Hypothesis for the Great Pyramid Shafts", Journal for the History of Astronomy, Volume 38 Part 1, May 2007, No. 131: 199–206 would disagree with you.by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > I have a question ... > > He then gives values for: > > Great Pyramid at Gizeh, > Second pyramid at Gizeh > Granite temple at Gizeh > Third Pyramid at Gizeh > Third Pyramid peribolus walls > Great Pyramid of Dahshur > Pyramid at Sakkara > > which range from 20.51 +/- 0.02 to 20.71 +/- 0.02 inches. > > That'sby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Dave, >the key phrase here is: > > "variations as employed" > > Which is not the same as a variation in the > standard itself - which is what I said. > > If you lay out a football field with a meter stick > there will be the accuracy with which you do the > procedure, and the accuracy to which your rule > conforms to the internationby Hermione - Ancient History
Anthony Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I started thinking that waiting at home might > be better than waiting on the Dueling Dragons... Maybe I should wave my magic wand ...by Hermione - Paper Lens
Hi Dave, > You are confusing individual cases from the > architecture with variations in the standard > used. > > What is being considered there is not a > variability in the cubit, it's the variability in > the data collected from the architecture - two > totally different things, (particularly after > 4,500 years). > > It is absolutely not thby Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: > You said I might want to take a look at 'this' and > posted a link - I can't see what you were > referring to? what comes up depends on what the > viewer's thread view is on. Apologies for any confusion. Yes, you have to be in threaded view - it was this: . My main point was my plea, fruitless and bootless though it seems doomed to be, fby Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > " given the demonstrated variability in the cubit > at Giza" > > You'll need to provide a reference for that > Hermione. There was a very very small variation, > that's all, unless you have additional information > nodody is aware of? Here's the link, Dave: . (I haveby Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's nothing 'just' about maths or geometry. > > This was a very important part of the Old Kingdom > culture - possible THE most important single field > of innovation. Yes, but where's the textual evidence for it? For the nth time, Dave, the ability of present-day geometers tby Hermione - Ancient History
Graham Chase Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Obviously the 45 degree line is paramount for the > construction at Giza, any other associated ratios > are are either complementary or co-incidental. > > I do not think that there was a need to create a > rectangular grid in the explanation of Giza. > The existance of the 3 bases makes tby Hermione - Ancient History
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They still buried the body didn't they? And what > about the red coloration?? Sorry ... I'm afraid my recollection of the details is too sketchy. I can't remember there being any red ochre there, though ...by Hermione - Humanities
Roxana Cooper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Isn't that a little sweeping? H.S. > Neanderthalensis buried their dead didn't they? > And apparently with some little ceremony > suggesting belief in an afterlife. Were you thinking of the Shanidar case? I thought that there was a paper that suggested that there might have been variousby Hermione - Humanities
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > you are not realising that innovation can take > place within a historical context, and clearly > does at Giza I'm sorry to keep repeating myself, but we're still awaiting contemporary cultural evidence to support this argument, not just not maths and/or geometry ...by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Dave, > > I have set aside several weeks over the summer > (20June-16July and 28July-31Aug) where I will > finally summarise all of the data in one place - > there's no point in me defending something that > has never been properly laid out. > > Really its a combination of Petrie, Legon, > Gillings and Lepsius' work, and a few others, so >by Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "There's no contemporary evidence to suggest an > innovative design at Giza" > > Well that's just not really a sensible statement > at all now is it? I happen to think that it's a perfectly sensible comment, or I wouldn't have made it. I ask again: please can you provideby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > ... Pyramid construction required the temple be > built after the pyramid was finished. ... > > Is there anyway of telling or provng how long > after ? I see that Anthony has since replied to your question, but, in fact, it was also answered here: Menkaure's mortuary temple was started in stone during his reign, and partially finished in mudbrickby Hermione - Ancient History
Jammer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It could be a mixture of > placating divinities, or honoring important people > (possibly Head Men and Shamans) by not sending > them into the after-death alone. > > In the same manner as recovered votive offerings, > this may even have been looked upon as an honor to > the sacrificed. Tby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > Your question reminded me of one I have. It is > relevant here in that it compares two similar > situations (an innovation in the step pyramid > design and the theory of an innovative design a > Giza). > I seem to remember Imhotep being regarded by his > contemporaries as a great architect, but I don't > remember if there were specific refeby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > > ... for instance, mentions a mortuary temple > being built against the eastern face of one of the > pyramids at Abusir, "as usual".) > > Forgive again for an obvious question but if they > were built together and at the same time would > they not be part of each other and not simply be > built against each other ? > > Cheers anby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > Actually the distance I prefer to use is 20.618 > inches per cubit but concede that maybe 20.62 is > correct and that is what is being used by EVERYONE > who has studied the plateau including Mark Lehner. > Would you suggest I use a variety of meaurements ? > That might make my job a tad easier. What other > sizes have been found at Giza ? In other wordby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > > I do not think I have implied a definitive > distance from G1 East mid-base to G3 West > mid-base. The distance depends on the value of > the cubit. I believe the values I have stated > range from about 1997 to about 2000, depending on > the assumptions. If you look at Petrie's range of cubit lengths, though, you'll see that the variabilby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Dave, > Actually no, the symbolism is specifically an > aspect of the Pharaonic tomb chamber itself, not > the accompanying mortuary temples. > > There are 9 comparable examples in various > manifestations, but all of them are specific to > the pharaohnic tomb. > > Giza, however, is exceptional in that they seem to > have extended the symbolism toby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > Please forgive the naievity of this question but > is the evidence of the mortuary temples being > built at the same time as the pyramids irrefutable > ? (You should see some of the naïve questions I've asked in my time! ) > Is there a good book readily available that I > could consult ? I've made enquiries, and all I can say is that thereby Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The big 3 Pharaonic pyramids - top right of G1 to > bottom left of G3 - as seen looking north. The problem is, Dave, that, without any justification, the most important parts have been omitted. Citing from here: Quote"Whilst it is common to emphasize the mortuary character of pyramids and to see thby Hermione - Ancient History
Don Barone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Petrie who apparently everyone accepts as being > infallible has the distance from the north point > of The Chase Line southward as 1411.25 and from > the west point eastward as 1417.25. Now regardless > of what point he used for north his grid is 90 > degrees so we have: > > 1411.25 x 14by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > It is more useful to note that 1732 / 1417.25 is > equal to 11 / 9 which has context. What is the context for 11/9?by Hermione - Ancient History
Dave L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This in fact is quite relevant and I think it > actually improves the fit of John Legon's fit for > the dimensions of the overall layout which is in > all probability correct. > > There's no doubt the layout is a root 2 by root 3 > thousand cubit square. Is this the overall layout, iby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Graham, > There is a defined geometry for the three main > pyramids of Giza. > But you reject it because you want to include the > sphynx, temples and everything else in. > The geometry is only about the pyramids - OK? > > About the cultural context. I have shown that the > geometry is a reflection of the three circumpolar > stars. Kocab, Thuban, and Mizaby Hermione - Ancient History
Hi Don, > Trust me I am working on it and may be closing > it. You've found some contemporary cultural support? That's fantastic!by Hermione - Ancient History
Hi C Wayne, > I didn't mean it as a comment on your veracity. It's OK: I knew you didn't! > An allegation is an assertion without proof. The > point being, there still was nothing substantive > to look at. That's all. Sorry if I came across > differently. No, there was no problem ... I can assure you that I (and the other people who attendedby Hermione - Ancient History
Ritva Kurittu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, he cleared out the inaccessible parts of the > underground burial. Only to realise, that he was > in the presence of a T-shped structure and a huge > (seems like) burial shaft, which somewhat reminds > of Djoser's. Nothing new there. Also the > facilities above the ground level poiby Hermione - Ancient History