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May 2, 2024, 2:36 am UTC    
August 07, 2007 02:13PM
Ronald Wrote:
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>
>
> Then you tell me once and for all HOW on Earth
> these ancient people, who lived approx. 4500 years
> ago, should have 'aligned/oriented' these shafts
> to Orion ? Really, we can 'see'/invent whatever
> 'star-correlation' in Giza we like with the aid of
> our sophisticated technology. But that does not
> mean that the AE actually made
> alignments/orientations.
>


In actuality, it would have been rather easy to align them. I know Chris has pointed out one method, but the bottom line is, all they had to do was find the seqed of the star as it crossed the meridian and then carve the blocks to fit that general seqed angle. The precarved blocks would be put in place, and then visually checked for accuracy.

Of course, I don't think this is what they did at all, but it is quite feasible. What the evidence says they really did was decide from the beginning the proper seqed to have the shafts come out of the pyramid at the same height on either side, and then carve the stones to match that predetermined seqed.

The differences between the shaft angles from north to south are a result of the differences in the geographic placement of the chambers within the pyramid. In the King's Chamber, where the chamber is offset, the two shafts have different seqeds so they can exit at the same height. In the Queen's Chamber, which is placed on the center line of the pyramid, the two shafts have the same seqed. Naturally, those shafts would also have exited at the same height, had they required completion.

There's nothing fancier than that, I'm afraid. Proponents of "star shafts" will try to explain this away by saying the room locations were chosen based on the intersection of the mandatory angles of the shafts, but this is highly unlikely, given the plan-view of the pyramid is little different from other plan views from the era. At that point, the discussion generally degrades into special pleading and baleful wishes for a single piece of evidence to bolster the star shaft speculations, but alas, nothing has survived...

Not a surprise, considering the idea was wrong from the outset. There can't be evidence for it... it's wrong. It's like wishing that you could find evidence that proved your worst enemy was the one who broke into your Long Island beach house and stole your I-Pod. The fact was, however, that he was in Las Vegas at the time. Wishes, arguing, and quoting people who think he had all the motive in the world to rob you won't change the evidence, though.

Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
Subject Author Posted

King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 05:16AM

Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 01, 2007 05:33AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 05:54AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 01, 2007 06:28AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 06:54AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:17AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 08:35AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:41AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:26AM

45.0 degrees.

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:30AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:49AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Dave L August 01, 2007 10:06AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 10:16AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Anthony August 01, 2007 10:24AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Hermione August 01, 2007 08:40AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:46AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Hermione August 01, 2007 08:47AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:48AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

C Wayne Taylor August 01, 2007 11:20AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Jeff van Hout August 01, 2007 05:17PM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:46AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 01:15AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:38AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 06:00AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 06:50AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Pete Clarke August 02, 2007 07:48AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:07AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Pete Clarke August 02, 2007 08:31AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:42AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 04:58PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Anthony August 07, 2007 02:13PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Chris Tedder August 07, 2007 03:40PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Anthony August 07, 2007 06:53PM

You know what?

Anthony August 07, 2007 08:02PM

Re: You know what?

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:48AM

Re: You know what?

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 04:48AM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Jeff van Hout August 07, 2007 03:55PM

Meridian

Anthony August 01, 2007 08:46AM

Re: Meridian

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:08AM

Thanks n/t

Anthony August 01, 2007 09:19AM

Re: Meridian

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:19AM

Wrong?

Anthony August 01, 2007 09:37AM

Re: Wrong?

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:47AM

Re: You're wrong to say I'm "Wrong"

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:51AM

Re: Wrong?

Anthony August 01, 2007 10:14AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Joe_S August 01, 2007 03:25PM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 07:05PM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:34AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 05:30AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 05:45AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 06:13AM

Dave, Scott ...

Hermione August 02, 2007 06:28AM

Re: Dave, Scott ...

Dave L August 02, 2007 06:56AM

Re: Dave, Scott ...

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 08:08AM

Re: Dave, Scott ...

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:11AM

Re: Dave, Scott ...

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 08:18AM

software versions - proper motion

clem ciamarra August 02, 2007 09:51AM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Warwick L Nixon August 02, 2007 10:57AM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 12:46PM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Principia August 02, 2007 02:18PM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 02:41PM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Principia August 02, 2007 08:06PM

Re: software versions - proper motion

clem ciamarra August 03, 2007 10:55AM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 11:08AM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Hermione August 03, 2007 11:11AM

Re: software versions - proper motion

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 11:35AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 07:26AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Jeff van Hout August 02, 2007 08:17AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Hermione August 02, 2007 08:25AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:37AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 08:48AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 09:02AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 09:16AM

Gentlemen ...

Hermione August 02, 2007 09:22AM

Four sets of data

Dave L August 02, 2007 11:08AM

Re: Four sets of data

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 11:39AM

Re: Four sets of data

Dave L August 03, 2007 07:50AM

Re: Four sets of data

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 08:08AM

Re: Four sets of data

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 08:32AM

Re: Four sets of data

Hermione August 03, 2007 08:48AM

Re: Four sets of data

Dave L August 03, 2007 09:02AM

Re: Four sets of data

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 09:29AM

Imaginova Respond

Scott Creighton August 06, 2007 11:30AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 02, 2007 10:48AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Jeff van Hout August 02, 2007 08:43AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:39AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Jeff van Hout August 02, 2007 06:19AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 07:45AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 02, 2007 10:35AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 11:10AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 02, 2007 11:21AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 11:22AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Chris Tedder August 02, 2007 04:12PM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Ken B August 03, 2007 03:08AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

poundr17 August 03, 2007 03:38AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Chris Tedder August 03, 2007 06:06AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Morph August 03, 2007 06:35AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 03, 2007 07:52AM

Hypothetical question...

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 08:47AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 09:03AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 03, 2007 09:07AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:12AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Hermione August 03, 2007 09:14AM

I disagree

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:19AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:16AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 09:21AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:28AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Chris Tedder August 03, 2007 09:49AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:58AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Chris Tedder August 02, 2007 03:54PM

Which Date? Which Star?

Scott Creighton August 04, 2007 04:22AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Chris Tedder August 04, 2007 05:14AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Scott Creighton August 04, 2007 05:42AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Chris Tedder August 04, 2007 07:21AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Scott Creighton August 04, 2007 07:50AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Chris Tedder August 04, 2007 09:43AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Scott Creighton August 04, 2007 10:08AM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Chris Tedder August 04, 2007 12:08PM

Re: Which Date? Which Star?

Scott Creighton August 04, 2007 12:37PM



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