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May 2, 2024, 7:43 am UTC    
August 02, 2007 07:48AM
Hi Dave,

While agree with you in principle it is difficult to avoid circular arguments when there is no contemporary textual evidence. The effective argument is "The shafts point at Orion. Orion was important in the funerary arrangements of pharaoh. We know this because the shafts point at Orion". In this case the lack of texts is vital - just because it is such an unusual position and because the shafts are unique.

The problem is that archaeological evidence is just as subject to interpretation as historical evidence. To take the shafts as an example we have some definite, factual, physical information about them in terms of the physical space they occupy within the pyramid. Unfortunately the shafts are not anywhere near straight. I am familiar with the arguments as to why this doesn't matter but the reality is that, to view the shafts as targetting stars, or asterisms, or whatever, one has to subjectively interpret their purpose.

At that stage what people generally end up doing is siding with the expert (or experts) that they find the most convincing. We make personal decisions based on our own biases (conscious or unconscious) and we select the view that best fits.

Generally the majority go with the orthodox view - ie the view that most experts in the field hold. Some do it through an examination of their arguments, others just because so many experts can't be wrong.

Others will always go with the unorthodox or heretic whatever they are saying. It's just the way they're made.

However, there has to be a middle ground where we just accept somethings are unknowns - and possibly unknowables. Do the shafts target particular stars? Maybe. The balance of evidence might even be in favour of that. However, believing that they do is not a factual position - it isn't a fact that the stars point at Orion's belt - what is a fact is that many eminent Egyptologists believe that they do.

There is nothing wrong with challenging the evidence that the concensus is built on - some would argue that any serious researcher should ALWAYS challenge every thing (although where that leaves cummulative knowledge who knows).

I know it's a grind when one is continuously asked to provide evidence that has been given before but it's just the down side of having an educated opinion, I suppose.

Pete

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King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 05:16AM

Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 01, 2007 05:33AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 05:54AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 01, 2007 06:28AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 06:54AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:17AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 08:35AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:41AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:26AM

45.0 degrees.

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:30AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:49AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Dave L August 01, 2007 10:06AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 10:16AM

Re: 45.0 degrees.

Anthony August 01, 2007 10:24AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Hermione August 01, 2007 08:40AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:46AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Hermione August 01, 2007 08:47AM

Re: No - The Data Suggests Otherwise

Dave L August 01, 2007 08:48AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

C Wayne Taylor August 01, 2007 11:20AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Jeff van Hout August 01, 2007 05:17PM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:46AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 01:15AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:38AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 06:00AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 06:50AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Pete Clarke August 02, 2007 07:48AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:07AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Pete Clarke August 02, 2007 08:31AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Dave L August 02, 2007 08:42AM

Re: Robert is quite correct.

Ronald August 02, 2007 04:58PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Anthony August 07, 2007 02:13PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Chris Tedder August 07, 2007 03:40PM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Anthony August 07, 2007 06:53PM

You know what?

Anthony August 07, 2007 08:02PM

Re: You know what?

Ritva Kurittu August 08, 2007 02:48AM

Re: You know what?

Chris Tedder August 08, 2007 04:48AM

Re: Robert is quite incorrect.

Jeff van Hout August 07, 2007 03:55PM

Meridian

Anthony August 01, 2007 08:46AM

Re: Meridian

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:08AM

Thanks n/t

Anthony August 01, 2007 09:19AM

Re: Meridian

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:19AM

Wrong?

Anthony August 01, 2007 09:37AM

Re: Wrong?

Dave L August 01, 2007 09:47AM

Re: You're wrong to say I'm "Wrong"

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 09:51AM

Re: Wrong?

Anthony August 01, 2007 10:14AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Joe_S August 01, 2007 03:25PM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 01, 2007 07:05PM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 04:34AM

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Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 06:13AM

Dave, Scott ...

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Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 08:18AM

software versions - proper motion

clem ciamarra August 02, 2007 09:51AM

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Re: software versions - proper motion

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Re: software versions - proper motion

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Re: software versions - proper motion

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Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 02, 2007 07:26AM

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Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 08:48AM

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Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 09:16AM

Gentlemen ...

Hermione August 02, 2007 09:22AM

Four sets of data

Dave L August 02, 2007 11:08AM

Re: Four sets of data

Scott Creighton August 02, 2007 11:39AM

Re: Four sets of data

Dave L August 03, 2007 07:50AM

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Hermione August 03, 2007 08:48AM

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Dave L August 03, 2007 09:02AM

Re: Four sets of data

Scott Creighton August 03, 2007 09:29AM

Imaginova Respond

Scott Creighton August 06, 2007 11:30AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

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Dave L August 03, 2007 07:52AM

Hypothetical question...

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 08:47AM

Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

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Re: King's Chamber Shaft Alignment Question

Dave L August 03, 2007 09:07AM

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Hermione August 03, 2007 09:14AM

I disagree

Warwick L Nixon August 03, 2007 09:19AM

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Which Date? Which Star?

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Re: Which Date? Which Star?

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Re: Which Date? Which Star?

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Re: Which Date? Which Star?

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Re: Which Date? Which Star?

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