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May 6, 2024, 8:06 am UTC    
October 12, 2007 06:52PM
MJ Thomas Wrote:
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>

>
> Of course, we know that the King’s Chamber was
> Khufu’s burial place because the Chamber is
> beautifully finished and has a large but not quite
> perfect sarcophagus in it.


And more things, but that's good enough for now.


>
> Of course, we know that the Antechamber was a
> portcullis system that sealed off the King’s
> Chamber after Khufu was laid to rest in it, but
> tomb robbers smashed through the portcullis
> stones.


I only hold that the portcullis system was a portcullis system. On what grounds do you say it would not have functioned as one?


>
> Of course, we know that the only way into the
> Pyramid’s upper section was via the Ascending
> Passage; so it is patently obvious that the
> granite plugs sealing it were slid down into it
> from above and after Khufu’s funeral.


I think you're doing a fine job.



>
> Of course, as we know the blocks were slid into
> the Passage from above, then it is glaringly
> obvious they were stored in the Grand Gallery.
>

Or on the floor of the Grand Gallery, leading into the QC.




> Of course, we know that the Well Shaft was the
> escape route for the men who released the blocks
> down into the Ascending Passage.


It is the logical conclusion.


>
> Now, here’s a few things for you to ponder on:
>


I love this part!


> The portcullis system known as the Antechamber
> would not have worked, and so the KC could not
> have been sealed off


I have addressed this above. It would have worked just fine. If, as you say, they were trying to fool people, why build an apparently obviously non-functioning portcullis system?


>
> The Antechamber was altered in length and the
> Granite Leaf was a late introduction to the
> scheme


That is your supposition. I do not agree.


>
> The Ascending Passage is not steep enough for
> blocks to slide down it.


Would you like to test that hypothesis by standing in front of one, after it's been slicked with oil and is being pushed from behind?

Remember... they only needed one at a time to go down, and they could have been inched along if they got stuck anywhere along the way. I think we discussed this about a year ago, and you admitted you hadn't considered that scenario.



>
> The Well Shaft was closed off above the Grotto,
> and built over for approx. 15 layers of core
> blocks because it was, apparently, no longer
> required, but it was later re-opened by tunnelling
> down through the 15 or so layers and building a
> shaft up as far as the north end of the Grand
> gallery.
> This doesn’t fit the “workers
> post-sealing-the-Ascending-Passage escape route”
> scenario at all well.


It does if they changed their minds about a method of egress for the workers, exactly as you have suggested here.



>
> The large block of granite that blocked the Well
> Shaft above the Grotto (and is now in the Grotto
> itself) it’s too big to have been introduced via
> the Well Shaft at the north end of the Grand
> Gallery.


Too big? Can you share the dimensions so we can see if others arrive at the same conclusion? I'll be happy to do it in private if you wish.


>
> I could go on but I shan’t.
>



So far I don't see anything very convincing in what you have said, so "going on" may be what is required.


> There are problems, inconsistencies with the
> scenario you and others hold on to.


Only so far as minor details are affected by individual choices 4500 years ago. You can only reconstruct so much of a crime scene, even if it only happened 4.5 hours ago.


> You need to step back and look at the whole
> interior afresh – and allow for the fact that
> simple arithmetic and geometry played a large part
> in how the interior came to be as it is.


I'm sorry. I understand the whole interior, and arithmetic and geometry were just laymen's tools used to complete the whole that we see today. They had no meaning or purpose, in and of themselves.

You are welcome to prove otherwise, but you'll have to go outside the pyramid and research the culture to do it. You can't just provide more measurements from inside the pyramid and expect it to be considered anything but a stack of coincidences.

Good luck.

Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
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