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May 8, 2024, 7:16 pm UTC    
August 14, 2007 12:26AM
Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> In MK and NK inscriptions the cartouche, an
> elongated shen 'ring' reflects the phrase 'all
> that the sun disk circles ('shen') (IIRC, from
> Quirke)
>
>
> and of course the sign for 'sun' (N5), was a
> circle, the Duat (N15), a circle with a star
> inside. Offering slabs in sun temples had a large
> circular stone in the middle........
>
>
> So you have Friedman's paper as well.
>
>
> Deep underground beneath the Dyn 3, step pyramid
> of Netjerikhet, are three panels showing
> Netjerikhet running or standing in various
> shrines. On the middle panel Netjerikhet is shown
> striding or running, carrying the flail and the
> mks, a container holding the imit-pr document
> (lit. 'that which is in the house' or that which
> constitutes the house'. In the royal realm, it
> appears to entitle the king to claim over the
> property he circuits - the Two Lands - Egypt. In
> front of the king is the 'White Shrine / Palace'
> (aH-HD) of the Great Ones (wrw)
>
>
> On either side of the king at the bottom of the
> panel, are a set of three semi circular
> territorial stone-markers (Dnbw) - one set in the
> north and the other in the south. Behind the king
> are two sky boundary markers in the form of two
> halves of the 'sky' sign N1 (mdnb) that stands for
> the limits of the sky. The king in the ritual
> Hb-sd run, goes around these boundary markers
> holding the title deed, legitimizing his rule of
> the terrestrial and celestial realms.

Chris

Can you tell me who, besides Friedman, has interpreted these three pairs of 3rd dynasty semi circular stones (dnbw) as territorial stone-markers. Are there any alternate interpretations?

>
> The king traveled from north to south and south to
> north when he visited the sacred sites in Upper
> and Lower Egypt - the 'Two Lands' he ruled over,
> and in his sed-festival, he went around the semi
> circular boundary stones in the north and south of
> his sed-festival court.
>
> The sun crossed the sky daily from east to west,
> and from north to south and from south to north in
> the yearly solar cycle.
>
>
> From the pyramids of Unis and Teti (Sethe Vol 1:
> 212; ยง406c):"....for both skies go around (in
> service) for him and the two shores* serve him.
> Unis is the most controlling power, who controls
> the controlling powers; Unis is the sacred image
> who is most sacred of sacred images.........Unis
> is the god who is senior to the senior ones, for
> thousands serve him and hundreds present offering
> to him; for he has been given title as the
> greatest controlling power by Orion (sAH), the
> gods' father; for Unis has reappeared in the sky
> and is crowned as lord of the Akhet. W 180b (T
> 275b)
>
>
> Sah is the 'father of the gods', and its Sah who
> gives the title deed to the king legitimizing his
> rule in the celestial realm. Netjerikhet is seen
> holding the title deed that legitimizes his rule
> over the Two Lands and the Two Skies - the north
> and south skies.
>
> This title deed is perhaps authorized by his
> divine ancestors symbolized by the baboon sitting
> in the 'White Shrine / Palace of the Great Ones'.
> The baboon is wearing a cross that can mean
> 'great' (wr). The 'great ones' inside the shrine
> / palace, is simply written with three swallows
> (wrw).
>
>
> "there is no one who bars him from the White
> Palace of the great ones at the Beaten Path of
> Stars (msqt sHdw) - for look, Unis has reached the
> sky's height." W 172.
>
>
> In the PTs, swallows are the Imperishable Stars,
> the followers of Osiris, who had an identity of
> the one in Sah.
>
>
> I could go on, but this is digressing from the
> controversial circle
>
> CT
>
>
>
>
> Edited 2 times. Last edit at 08/13/07 12:26PM by
> Chris Tedder.


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