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May 5, 2024, 2:19 am UTC    
July 14, 2007 01:54PM
Scott Creighton Wrote:
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Robert Bauval's OCT has always had
> corroboratory evidence. And it now has even more
> corroboratory evidence. It's called the GOCT.
> And this additional evidence is simply too
> compelling to be easily dismissed.
>

With all respect Scott, this is exactly my point about theories like this being houses of cards which can hold themselves up - because you've left real methodology (and fact based logic) behind.

I've looked at your presentation again, and at no point do you prove the link with Orion which is crucial at the beginning to substantiate what follows. To give you credit, your theory seems to completely dwarf the OCT in terms of scale and meaning (I could never quite understand the controversy surrounding the initial Orion correlation as, apart from claiming the existence of a star religion for which no further proof has been found, it doesn't really "go" anywhere). Yours at least has drama - previous civilisations, vast timescales, cataclysms past and in the future - but all of this stems from the realms of the imagination, and the "logic" is all "if" and "then" - if the pyramids represent Orion, then they actually form a precessional wheel, etc. It is an entertaining theory, and you argue it well in your own way, but please take it from me, someone who is reasonably open minded and who genuinely enjoys reading this type of thing - and who totally accepts, yes, we don't know all there is to know yet - you simply cannot ask me to accept your theory because it all flows from one inescapable unproven point. You are essentially looking for a willing suspension of disbelief, and that is a totally inappropriate request in this context.

I would say to you, go out and find that proof linking the pyramids to Orion, and then I would almost certainly look at your theory in a different light - but Robert Bauval has spent years looking for it, and surely now knows it isn't there, as all he has found are the slimmest of pickings which certainly don't indicate anything important enough upon which to base the layout at Giza.

Personally, I feel there is sometimes a mental block when it comes to the pyramids. It seems unbelievable that such vast structures - and all the skill, work and effort that went into building them - represent simply the tombs of a handful of individuals and nothing else, no greater meaning, no message, no mystery. But look at autocratic societies down the ages - huge structures have always been built to the personal glorification of egocentric rulers. Look at Stalin, Hitler, Enver Hoxha, look at North Korea today with it's bizarre, empty Olympic stadiums, look at Qin Shi Huangdi and his 8000 terracotta warriors - sometimes it just doesn't make sense Scott, sometimes it's just the grandoise schemes of people with more vanity and power than sense. The 4th Dynasty pharaohs wanted to leave their mark on history with their mausoleums - and here we are, 4500 years later still arguing about them! They'd be laughing in their graves if it hadn't been for the robbers...
Subject Author Posted

Genesis of a theory

Robert Bauval July 13, 2007 12:41AM

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Robert Bauval July 14, 2007 01:05AM

Re: Genesis of a theory

Scott Creighton July 13, 2007 10:38AM

Re: Genesis of a theory

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Alcibiades July 13, 2007 01:23PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 07:12PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 08:02PM

Oral Traditions for literate cultures?

Anthony July 14, 2007 08:37PM

Re: Oral Traditions for literate cultures?

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 08:51PM

Re: Oral Traditions for literate cultures?

Thadd July 14, 2007 10:50PM

Re: Oral Traditions for literate cultures?

Scott Creighton July 15, 2007 05:56AM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Ken B July 14, 2007 09:02PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 09:07PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Ken B July 14, 2007 09:22PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Thadd July 14, 2007 10:52PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Warwick L Nixon July 15, 2007 12:47PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 07:58PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 15, 2007 02:43PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 13, 2007 03:43PM

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Re: Fact versus theory

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Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 09:33AM

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Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 10:35AM

"Soft science"

Anthony July 14, 2007 11:12AM

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Thadd July 14, 2007 10:53PM

Re: Fact versus theory

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Re: Fact versus theory

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 13, 2007 04:34PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Anthony July 13, 2007 05:05PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 12:38PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

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Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 01:21PM

Flawed logic

Anthony July 14, 2007 12:53PM

Re: Flawed logic

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 01:03PM

Re: Flawed logic

Anthony July 14, 2007 01:12PM

Re: Flawed logic

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 01:28PM

Re: Flawed logic

lobo-hotei July 14, 2007 02:36PM

If the Boot Fits...

Scott Creighton July 16, 2007 12:55PM

Re: If the Boot Fits...

lobo-hotei July 16, 2007 04:55PM

Re: If the Boot Fits...

Scott Creighton July 16, 2007 05:54PM

Moderation Note!

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 05:58PM

Re: Flawed logic

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Re: Flawed logic

Alcibiades July 15, 2007 01:53PM

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Anthony July 15, 2007 02:05PM

Re: Flawed logic

Alcibiades July 15, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Flawed logic

Jammer July 16, 2007 06:57AM

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Re: Flawed logic

Warwick L Nixon July 16, 2007 10:58AM

Unanswered Questions

Scott Creighton July 16, 2007 01:45PM

Questions answered

Anthony July 16, 2007 02:40PM

Questions Still Unanswered

Scott Creighton July 16, 2007 06:19PM

Moderation note ... end of subthread

Katherine Reece July 16, 2007 06:29PM

Re: Questions Still Unanswered

Anthony July 16, 2007 06:32PM

Re: Flawed logic

Thadd July 14, 2007 11:00PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione July 14, 2007 02:40PM

Apologies

Scott Creighton July 14, 2007 07:14PM

Re: Genesis of a theory - the very point never proved

Thadd July 14, 2007 12:47AM

Re: Genesis of a theory

Warwick L Nixon July 13, 2007 10:59AM

Re: Genesis of a theory

Hermione July 13, 2007 11:53AM

Re: Genesis of a theory

cladking July 13, 2007 05:40PM

Death of a theory

Anthony July 13, 2007 12:50PM

Addendum

Anthony July 13, 2007 02:44PM

Moderation Note

Katherine Reece July 17, 2007 05:32PM



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