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May 5, 2024, 12:49 am UTC    
July 11, 2007 04:57AM
Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> I guess NatGeo didn't want to screw up their
> ratings by labelling the pictures for us. This way
> we have to watch.

Assuming I'm reading the attached text to each picture correctly, it appears they are saying (according to Hawass):

a) the KV 55 remains are Akhenaten (though I noted Aidan Dodson has already disagreed with the scans on such an identification);
b) the "Elder Lady" of KV 35 is Tiye (as has been suspected for awhile), and (spoiler: new information) --
c) the "Younger Lady" of KV 35 is Kiya.

How they have come to the conclusion that the KV 35 mummy is Kiya is unclear: hence we would have to watch to understand this. If so, then again we have a conundrum since Don Brothwell, who worked with Fletcher when she was claiming the "Younger Lady" was Nefertiti back in 2003, did state emphatically that the KV 35 mummy's hips were those of a 'nulliparous female' (having never given birth).

Now, for this reason, among others (mainly age at death) seemed to take Nefertiti out of the picture as being the KV 35 mummy, since she is known to have given birth to at least 6 living daughters.

But, if we are now saying the KV 35 Younger Lady is Kiya, you may have solved the age problem with the KV 35 mummy (which is much younger than Nefertiti would have been supposedly at death (the KV 35 mummy AOD is no earlier than early 20's)), but one still has the same problem with the nulliparous hips, since Kiya is at least shown with a young infant female in several reliefs at Amarna. Further, since Hawass seems bound and determined that Kiya must be Tutankhamun's mother (though we have no real evidence of this), the stated issue of nulliparous hips would need to be addressed, IMO, if one wants to buy Kiya = KV 35 mummy (Younger Woman) = Tutankhamun's mother. That is Illogical

Yet, I'd be very careful about taking ANY of this at face value: interestingly, Nefertiti and the Lost Dynasty on the National Geographic Channel comes one day after the Discovery Channel's programme on Hatshepsut, so I'm wondering if we're just in the middle of a cable sweeps (rating) period, which means any sensational show would do! Yakity Yak

Count me Disgusted with the whole brou-haha at this point: I'd rather read the final scholarly articles with myriad citations, graphs, and tables than put up with all these fanatastic claims, one after another, without much real stated proof. Sandcastle sad smiley

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg

Doctoral Candidate
Oriental Institute
Doctoral Programme in Oriental Studies [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2007 05:21AM by Katherine Griffis-Greenberg.
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Amarna era twist: Nefertiti may be Tut's father:

Dave L July 10, 2007 06:49PM

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Roxana Cooper July 18, 2007 09:43AM

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rich July 18, 2007 10:52AM

Freud's Theory?

Roxana Cooper July 18, 2007 12:00PM



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