wirelessguru1 Wrote:
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> > So are you saying your (not your's
> explicitly) mouth speaks your thoughts before you
>
> > actually have them?
>
> Well, you will need to fully comprehend first what
> a thought really is! Like how do you know that the
> thoughts are yours to start with? Maybe they are
> only yours if it is a secret to you or maybe not
> even then!

Besides not really thinking anyone else would want my thoughts.... All the thoughts are formed/thought in the "I/me" frame of mind not a group POV.

> If you're seeing something (like a big fool moon)
> or hearing something or smelling something, etc,
> etc, there is always an immediate reaction to
> those senses. Like if you touch a hot surface you
> will imeediately jerk your finger/hand out from
> it...

The fire/hot relation is one of nerve reaction not thought process. Any thought you have has to be formed, understood, and registered in your mind so you can speak it. You might not realise it has been done and speak it before fully known but it is still created in your mind.

> What your mouth speaks are not always structured
> thoughts but rather automatic reactions. Like some
> one asks you "how are you doing" and you may say
> "great, thank you" or some other automatic
> response...

And those thoughts have been created in my mind. The time difference has been narrowed for the response due to repetitive responses much like anything else. You work with programs so your responses would be much faster then mine with the same programs but your responses aren't reactionary but decisions made due to experiences and deductive reasoning narrowing the choices of responses. When was the last time you answered the question "How are you doing?" in a language you have never spoken? If these words/thoughts were spoken before you ever form them and come from some source then you should be speaking them in foreign languages at times. Instead they are spoken in the language you use the most and in the same style as you usually speak, most of the time at least, can't speak for anyone who wakes up in the middle of the night!

> > How can you say anything unless you have
> actually formed the thought in your head?
>
> Very easy, based on action/reaction or automatic
> responses which in many cases becomes "learned"
> behavior as one is growing up...


exactly but those thoughts were formed and just stored for future availability, much like defragmenters adjust the most commonly used programs on your computer so they are retrieved quicker. The computer doesn't create them new just grab them quicker.

> > I imagine speaking the thought before
> complete is possible but not spoken before
> > it is even formed in your brain.
>
> Not exactly! You should read Julian Jaynes, The
> Origin of Consciousness in the Break-down of the
> Bicameral Mind...
>
> How do you "think" or visualize that "thoughts"
> are "formed" in your brain!? Do you think that
> they have "objective" form!!!???

If I ask you to explain a certain topic do you not form these thoughts in your mind or do you pull them out of thin air? Are you saying that you just speak/type thoughts/posts without creating them yourself just throwing them out from a different source?

> Close your eyes, think of a tree, what tree do you
> see? Fruit Tree, Pine Tree, Redwood Tree, etc?
>
> Close your eyes, think of the moon, what moon do
> you see? Full moon, half moon, etc?
>
> How specific and detailed are your thoughts?

Specific and unique to my Point of View.

Regards,
Lobo-hotei
lobo



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