> I mean laws the control gods or that gods must obey...
Those would be the "natural laws". Be definition, gods (forces!) make and control all the natural laws.
> > > There's an assumption that you can understand
> > >it, you can figure it out. It's a
> > > different mindset from people who are
> > > motivated to communicate with their gods,
> > > with the supernatural. Gods can do anything,
> > > they do not obey laws.
> >
> > Well, I beg to differ! IMHO, Gods must also obey
> > the various natural laws, otherwise, by
> > definition, there would be no structure and order
> > in the Universe.
>
> Prove it, and good luck...
Joanne, the rational is actually very simple! First chaos is disorder. Therefore, since "order" seems to emerge from chaos via the various natural laws, then, by definition the gods (forces) must use such natural laws to bring structure and order into the Universe from the chaos...
In other words, there is no evidence that gods operate outside nature and its natural laws...
> > Why do you assume that Gods can do anything?
>
> If not, what's the point of being a god? You get blamed for a lot; there ought to be
> some perks...
Well, I suppose that my definition of a god is then different than yours! Either case, I think that the "perks" are the fact that they (the gods) can manipulate and control the natural laws by modulating or changing the intensity and duration of the various forces...
That is also the rawest and most basic definition of intelligence...
> > If they could, then why don't they just do it?
>
> What makes you think they don't just do it? Evidence, please.
Well, I could ask you the same. What evidence do you have please that they "just do it"!? vs. they "DON'T just do it"!? in terms of working outside the natural laws?
I prefer to NOT keep things as some sort of a mystery!
> > > It's not about patterns and laws so much as
> > > it is about the
> > > mindset of the people looking at the sky.
> >
> > Well, the mindset also has to obey the natural laws...
>
> No, one only has to try to explain what one conceives. If the universe is sacred,
> one has to understand the gods and their will. If the universe is mechanical and
> is controlled by natural laws, then one can attempt to understand those laws.
Well, I prefer to not disassociate the gods from us since we all share NATURE! Meaning that even if the Universe was just "mechanical", for anything mechanical to work with some sort of intelligence, then THERE HAS TO BE AN OPERATING SYSTEM (software, code) and once that is the case, then there has to also be some "source code", even if it is a very simple and straight forward source code!
So, by definition, the source code, comes from the source and hence there is also "a source", even in a mechanical Universe! So, you and I just cannot escape from it. Those are the simple facts...
> Not all people in all cultures see things as you do. That's my point.
Yes, group reality is different places and cultures. But we can still try to communicate!
-wirelessguru1