wirelessguru1 Wrote:
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> > If you believe in a mechanical universe, you
> can look for non-divine laws or rules.
>
> I agree. I am not even sure what a divine law is!
> Do you mean something like the 10 commandements?

I mean laws the control gods or that gods must obey...


> > There's an assumption that you can understand
> it, you can figure it out. It's a
> > different mindset from people who are
> motivated to communicate with their gods,
> > with the supernatural. Gods can do anything,
> they do not obey laws.
>
> Well, I beg to differ! IMHO, Gods must also obey
> the various natural laws, otherwise, by
> definition, there would be no structure and order
> in the Universe.

Prove it, and good luck...


> Why do you assume that Gods can do anything?

If not, what's the point of being a god? You get blamed for a lot; there ought to be some perks...


> If
> they could, then why don't they just do it?

What makes you think they don't just do it? Evidence, please.


> > It's not about patterns and laws so much as
> it is about the
> > mindset of the people looking at the sky.
>
> Well, the mindset also has to obey the natural
> laws...

No, one only has to try to explain what one conceives. If the universe is sacred, one has to understand the gods and their will. If the universe is mechanical and is controlled by natural laws, then one can attempt to understand those laws.


> > Western science assumes that there are law,
> laws exist, and that those laws can be
> > understood by humans. Even what is not
> understood in science is thought to be
> > understandable.
>
> I fully agree with that.
>
> But, after all is said and done, natural laws are
> nothing more than when one fully comprehends all
> of the various frequency cycles, forces and
> action/reaction processes.
>
> So natural laws exist for everything (I call it
> chaos rules), we may just not know what they all
> are! Meaning that the super-natural is just the
> lack of understanding of certain natural laws...

Not all people in all cultures see things as you do. That's my point.