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May 9, 2024, 5:54 pm UTC    
February 04, 2005 04:17AM

Thanks for the effort. smiling smiley



lobo-hotei Wrote:
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> premalatha balan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > II. Porutpaal
> >
> > II.1 Arasiyal
> >
> > Athikaaram 53. Sutrtranth thazhaal ("zha" is
> > pronounced as "la")
> >
> > Kural 521
> >
> > Patrtratra kannum pazhamaiyaa raatuthal
> > Sutrtraththaar kannae yula.
> >
> >
> >
> > English translation:
> >
> > II. WEALTH
> >
> > II.1 Politics and social life
> >
> > Chapter. 53 Cherishing one's kindred
> >
> > Kural 521.
> >
> > When wealth is fled, old kindness still to
> show,
> > Is kindly grace that only kinsmen know.
> > Even when (a man's) property is all gone,
> > relatives will act towards him with their
> > accustomed (kindness).
>
> Wealth comes and goes but family is forever!
>

correct.


>
> >
> > Other kurals in this chapter:
> >
> > Kural - 523
> > His joy of life who mingles not with kinsmen
> > gathered round,
> > Is lake where streams pour in, with no
> encircling
> > bound.
> > The wealth of one who does not mingle freely
> with
> > his relatives, will be like the filling of
> water
> > in a spacious tank that has no banks.
>
> He who shuns his family and friends will not be
> filled with true happiness but only have
> fleeting/temporary contentment.


in a relation where love and affection is still there, there is always good things coming up, similar to new leaves in a wealthy tree.


>
>
> > Kural - 524
> > The profit gained by wealth's increase,
> > Is living compassed round by relatives in
> peace.
> > To live surrounded by relatives, is the
> advantage
> > to be derived from the acquisition of wealth.
>
>
> To be able to help, and actually help, family to
> become happy and sufficient in life is the true
> value of wealth!


a person with no relatives is equivalent to a waterbody (pond or a river) with no water (dried up).


>
> > Kural - 525
> > Who knows the use of pleasant words, and
> liberal
> > gifts can give,
> > Connections, heaps of them, surrounding him
> shall
> > live.
> > He will be surrounded by numerous relatives
> who
> > manifests generosity and affability.
>
> The wise person who knows how to speak kindly and
> to be a benevolent benefactor gains their
> neighbor's loyalty and will be in good favor!


correct.



>
>
> > Kural - 526
> > Than one who gifts bestows and wrath
> restrains,
> > Through the wide world none larger following
> > gains.
> > No one, in all the world, will have so many
> > relatives (about him), as he who makes large
> gift,
> > and does not give way to anger.
>
> The leader/king who knows how to be generous to
> those deserving, has control of his anger, and
> knows patience will have no equal in the world.
>


correct.


>
> > Kural - 527
> > The crows conceal not, call their friends to
> come,
> > then eat;
> > Increase of good such worthy ones shall meet.
>
> > The crows do not conceal (their prey), but
> will
> > call out for others (to share with them)
> while
> > they eat it; wealth will be with those who
> show a
> > similar disposition (towards their
> relatives).
>
> Those that share their wealth with others in order
> to help them will be rewarded with a return in
> wealth larger than the initial amount in
> acknowledgement of their generosity! Here the
> wealth isn't necessarily monetary!
>


little extra bit added, but, yes that is it implies..


>
> > Kural - 528
> > Where king regards not all alike, but each in
> his
> > degree,
> > 'Neath such discerning rule many dwell
> happily.
> > Many relatives will live near a king, when
> they
> > observe that he does not look on all alike,
> but
> > that he looks on each man according to his
> merit.
>
> A king that judges each person on their own
> merit, and not in comparision with others, will
> have a population that is content and that will
> look upon the king as good.


correct.


>
> > Kural - 529
> > Who once were his, and then forsook him, as
> before
> >
> > Will come around, when cause of disagreement
> is no
> > more.
> > Those who have been friends and have
> afterwards
> > forsaken him, will return and join themselves
> (to
> > him), when the cause of disagreement is not
> to be
> > found in him.
>
> Friends who have a difference of opinion may part
> ways but will reconcile after the situation is
> over and left in the past.


even if you folowed all the above, some relatives may still leave you for no reason. (don't worry about that..)


>
>
> > Kural - 530
> > Who causeless went away, then to return, for
> any
> > cause, ask leave;
> > The king should sift their motives well,
> consider,
> > and receive!
> > When one may have left him, and for some
> cause has
> > returned to him, let the king fulfil the
> object
> > (for which he has come back) and
> thoughtfully
> > receive him again.
>
> If a person leaves for no reason then comes back
> to the group but needs to leave again should be
> scrutinized by the king/leader, the value of this
> person's contributions determined, and only then
> allowed to come before the king/leader. By doing
> so the decision will be fair and not a rash
> reaction.


He who left you for no reason, will come back. when he does, analyse well, the reason for his coming back and then accept him.



>
>
> Don't take this Texan's interpretations serious
> now!

no, they are good. Pope's english translation sometimes does not give the actual meaning, but it gives his "added" meaning. you are misled by that. that is all.


thanks lobo.


>
> Regards,
> Lobo-hotei
> lobo
>
>
>
>
> For some, chasing the truth is like a dog chasing
> a car. They can't figure out what to do with it
> when they have finally caught it!


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