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Litz
October 08, 2001 11:53AM
<HTML>Hi Anthony and sandy,
Please excuse any of the following that seems bizzare... but I'm going to try to work thru my present confusion.
Is it accurate to redefine the issue being pursued here as "What would it take to create the zeolite ZK20 on the surface of existing limestone?" This question naturally follows the assumption that the existing limestone CANNOT have ZK20 within it if it is indeed natural limestone AND if it is true that ZK20 is NEVER found in natural limestone (assumptions which I hope we can address individually elsewhere rather than as part of this effort).

It would seem to me that what we have to focus on initially is that the chemical elements contained in the ammonium (NH4+) and the natron (see other post for complicated contents of Egyptian natron) have to be able to supply ample alumino-silicate content to act as the main ingredient so to say for the zeolite (and only the natron contains any Aluminum or Silicon in the form of 2.9% "Clayish and siliceous sand"... kaolin clay has existing alumino-silicates and sand is basically silicon oxide). Just recognizing that the chemical formula for common feldspars is XAl(1-2) Si(3-2) O8 (with the number of Aluminums and the number of Silicons depending upon whether the unknown X happens to be a +1 element like sodium (Na+) or potassium (K+) or a +2 element like calcium (Ca++)), one can see that what must be the binder or zeolite portion of the formula is the alumino-silicate part (hence, one type of feldspar is K(AlSi3O8), while another would be Ca(Al2Si2O8).
In other words, until we find someone who can tell us whether the small percentage of alumino-silicate that might come from the clay in the natron itself is enough to constitute the source of the necessary alumino-silicate for producing the zeolite binder, or whether the limestone has any available kaolinitic percentage (another source of alumino-silicates), we will not be able to know whether the presence of ammonium matters. Without sufficient alumino-silicate present from some source, it is my understanding that the zeolite ZK20 is not possible. If we can determine with certainty that sufficient alumino-silicate is present from some source (either kaolinitic limestone or the natron itself), only then would we then pursue the question of how reactive that alumino-silicate would be in the presence of the ammonium.
Any takers on any of the above problems/questions?
Litz</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Ammonia production, by noname

sandy October 06, 2001 07:00PM

Sandy Ammonia

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:26AM

Complex web

sandy October 07, 2001 11:52AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

sandy October 07, 2001 12:02PM

No apology required

Anthony October 07, 2001 12:16PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 12:53PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 12:57PM

Re: No apology required

Anthony October 07, 2001 12:59PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 01:12PM

Multiple blocks

Anthony October 07, 2001 01:34PM

Got it

sandy October 07, 2001 04:06PM

Re: Got it

sandy October 07, 2001 04:28PM

Very sorry, don't got it then

sandy October 07, 2001 04:40PM

Re: Very sorry, don't got it then

Litz October 08, 2001 11:59AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

Litz October 08, 2001 11:53AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:21PM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

sandy October 09, 2001 05:56AM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:31PM

Reference

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:33PM

The game is afoot...

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:48PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:08PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 01:10PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:43PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:53PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:21PM

Correction..

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:28PM

Re: Correction repealed

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:30PM

Re: Correction repealed

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:06PM

Re: Correction..

Litz October 08, 2001 11:37PM

Re: Kaolin

al-Urman October 08, 2001 03:56PM

Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:43PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 02:55PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:02PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:41PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:45PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:03PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Archae Solenhofen October 09, 2001 12:02AM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:07AM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Archae Solenhofen October 09, 2001 02:55PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Litz October 09, 2001 12:39AM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 03:52PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Anthony October 08, 2001 04:03PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 04:08PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Anthony October 08, 2001 04:30PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:12PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 04:19PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:37PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 11:06PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Litz October 09, 2001 01:13AM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:19AM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 09, 2001 05:01AM

&quot;L&quot; is for limestone????

Anthony October 09, 2001 06:11AM

Re: Really?

Litz October 09, 2001 05:40AM

Re: Really?

al-Urman October 09, 2001 09:35AM

Oh, Al-Urman......

Anthony October 09, 2001 10:31AM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 03:52PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

al-Urman October 09, 2001 04:11PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:34PM

Now, Frank...

Anthony October 09, 2001 05:36PM

Re: Now, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 05:45PM

Re: Touche!

al-Urman October 09, 2001 10:19PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Litz October 10, 2001 03:18PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 10, 2001 06:08PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Litz October 11, 2001 10:39AM

Additionally...

Anthony October 11, 2001 05:07PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 12, 2001 04:36AM

Re: Canals maybe?

sandy October 09, 2001 05:59AM

Question for anybody...

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:51PM

Re: Question for anybody...

Greg Reeder October 08, 2001 03:30PM

Frank... need your help!

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:38PM

Re: Frank... need your help!

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:40PM

Re: Frank... need your help!

Litz October 09, 2001 01:53AM



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