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October 07, 2001 11:52AM
<HTML>Anthony
I have been searching all day, and now I have some results.

Ammonia is produced from a combination of hydrogen and nitrogen. As you saw above it is also produced through the interaction of water, hydrocarbons and air. Coal contains traces of ammonium, when it is burnt it releases ammonia, it also releases hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. Trees/timber also contain organic ammonium, how is this. Well just about all soils contain organic ammonium, plants absorb nitrates and ammonium from the soil. Animals eat plants and thus absorb that ammonium into themselves. So organic ammonium exists in all biological lifeforms.

When you burn timber, it releases that ammonium back into the atmosphere, but it also releases arromatic hydrocarbons in the woodsmoke. The burning of biomass creates large amounts of atmospheric ammonia.

Ammonia is also produced by the decomposition of animal or plant material, and the nitrates and organic ammonium pass back into the soil. Ammonium exists in the atmosphere, which is the largest repository of it. It exists in the soil, which is the second largest repository. It exists in seawater, rivers, and groundwater.

It also exists in marine life, when that marine life dies and drifts to the bottom to form carbonate rocks, that ammonium is locked up within that carbonate structure. So there is ammonium in limestone, trapped there during it's formation.

A further introduction of ammonium into limestone is when it is no longer under the sea, when it is on dryland it is covered in soil and biomass, which contain large amounts of organic ammonium. It is also subjected to ground water penetration which contains quantities of organic ammonium. Plus it is also exposed to atmospheric ammonium.

Construction lime, and cement contains a residue from industrial chimneys and furnaces, this residue is called flyash, this flyash has varying quantities of ammonia locked up in it, because industry uses ammonia to keep their chimneys clean. Thus you have the inclusion of an ammonia substance into lime mortar, but there is more than that. The tarry residue that forms in chimneys(creosote) from coal and wood smoke, has trapped hydrocarbons in it. I have the feeling that when the wet lime mortar comes into contact with this creosote and soot, a chemical reaction takes place, this results in the release of ammonia from these substances.

It all seems very complex, you have ammonia in lime mortar, you have hydrocarbons in woodsmoke residue, you have the formation of ammonia through the interaction of water(wet lime mortar), air, and hydrocarbons(creosote/soot).

Well sandy J, you may have considered it 'UNHEARD OF' before, but you have certainly heard of it now.

Sandy J fell very short of the mark, when only quoting animal sacrifice as a source for organic ammonium. I would not call that good science, I would call it very selective science. Only putting forward information that conforms to a particular theory. Where does all this extra information place the geopolymer and zk20 theory now?

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7.1.6 Products of Coal Carbonization
The reactions occurring during the carbonization of coal for the production of metallurgical coke
are complex. The process can be considered as taking place in three steps: (a) primary breakdown
of coal at temperatures below 700°C (1296°F) yields decomposition products some of which are
water, oxides of carbon, hydrogen sulfide, hydroaromatic compounds, paraffins, olefins, phenolic,
and nitrogen-containing compounds; (b) secondary thermal reactions among these liberated pri-
mary products as they pass through hot coke, along hot oven walls and through highly heated free
space in the oven involve both synthesis and degradation. A large evolution of hydrogen and the
formation of aromatic hydrocarbons and methane occur in the stage above 700°C (1296°F).
Decomposition of the complex nitrogen-containing compounds produces ammonia, hydrogen
cyanide, pyridine bases and nitrogen; (c) progressive removal of hydrogen from the residue in the
oven produces hard coke.
During carbonization, from 20­35% by weight of the initial charge of coal is evolved as mixed
gases and vapors which pass from the ovens into the collecting mains and are processed through
the coal-chemical recovery section of the coke plant to produce coal chemicals. When the produc-
tion of coke is accomplished in modern byproduct coke ovens with equipment for recovering the
coal chemicals, one ton of coking coal in typical American practice yields about the following pro-
portions of the coke and coal chemicals presented in Table 7.1, depending upon the type of coal
carbonized, carbonization temperature and method of coal-chemical recovery.
The coke oven gas contains the fixed gases so classified because they are gases at 760 mm (29.92
in.) pressure and 15.5°C (60°F). They are: hydrogen, H2; methane, CH4; ethane, C2H6; carbon
monoxide, CO; carbon dioxide, CO2; illuminants which are essentially unsaturated hydrocarbons,
such as ethylene, C2H8; and acetylene, C2H2. Other fixed gases present are: hydrogen sulfide, H2S;
ammonia, NH3; oxygen, O2; and nitrogen, N2.</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

Ammonia production, by noname

sandy October 06, 2001 07:00PM

Sandy Ammonia

Anthony October 07, 2001 07:26AM

Complex web

sandy October 07, 2001 11:52AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

sandy October 07, 2001 12:02PM

No apology required

Anthony October 07, 2001 12:16PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 12:53PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 12:57PM

Re: No apology required

Anthony October 07, 2001 12:59PM

Re: No apology required

sandy October 07, 2001 01:12PM

Multiple blocks

Anthony October 07, 2001 01:34PM

Got it

sandy October 07, 2001 04:06PM

Re: Got it

sandy October 07, 2001 04:28PM

Very sorry, don't got it then

sandy October 07, 2001 04:40PM

Re: Very sorry, don't got it then

Litz October 08, 2001 11:59AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

Litz October 08, 2001 11:53AM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:21PM

Re: Sandy Ammonia

sandy October 09, 2001 05:56AM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:31PM

Reference

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:33PM

The game is afoot...

Anthony October 08, 2001 12:48PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:08PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 01:10PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:43PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 01:53PM

Re: Ammonia production, by noname

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:21PM

Correction..

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:28PM

Re: Correction repealed

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:30PM

Re: Correction repealed

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:06PM

Re: Correction..

Litz October 08, 2001 11:37PM

Re: Kaolin

al-Urman October 08, 2001 03:56PM

Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:43PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 02:55PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:02PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 03:41PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:45PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:03PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Archae Solenhofen October 09, 2001 12:02AM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:07AM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Archae Solenhofen October 09, 2001 02:55PM

Re: Hold up a minute, Frank...

Litz October 09, 2001 12:39AM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 03:52PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Anthony October 08, 2001 04:03PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 04:08PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Anthony October 08, 2001 04:30PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:12PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 04:19PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 08, 2001 04:37PM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 08, 2001 11:06PM

Re: Canals maybe?

Litz October 09, 2001 01:13AM

Re: Canals maybe?

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:19AM

Re: Canals maybe?

al-Urman October 09, 2001 05:01AM

&quot;L&quot; is for limestone????

Anthony October 09, 2001 06:11AM

Re: Really?

Litz October 09, 2001 05:40AM

Re: Really?

al-Urman October 09, 2001 09:35AM

Oh, Al-Urman......

Anthony October 09, 2001 10:31AM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 03:52PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

al-Urman October 09, 2001 04:11PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 04:34PM

Now, Frank...

Anthony October 09, 2001 05:36PM

Re: Now, Frank...

Frank Doernenburg October 09, 2001 05:45PM

Re: Touche!

al-Urman October 09, 2001 10:19PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Litz October 10, 2001 03:18PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 10, 2001 06:08PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Litz October 11, 2001 10:39AM

Additionally...

Anthony October 11, 2001 05:07PM

Re: Oh, Al-Urman......

Frank Doernenburg October 12, 2001 04:36AM

Re: Canals maybe?

sandy October 09, 2001 05:59AM

Question for anybody...

Anthony October 08, 2001 02:51PM

Re: Question for anybody...

Greg Reeder October 08, 2001 03:30PM

Frank... need your help!

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:38PM

Re: Frank... need your help!

Anthony October 08, 2001 03:40PM

Re: Frank... need your help!

Litz October 09, 2001 01:53AM



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