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October 01, 2001 09:50PM
<HTML>Let's pretend you can demonstrate a machine made out of short planks of wood that will lift and set 70 foot long granite beams way up over the King's Chamber and the many 30 foot long blocks Herodotus and el-Latif reported seeing. My first question would be, if you can really do this why would you spend your time posting on message boards when you could be acquiring wealth and recognition with such a machine and also vigorously using it for very positive humanitarian and other purposes?

Let's continue to pretend that you've actually demonstrated such a machine -- (which I doubt because you spend time on message boards whereas most people would be totally away from them and in the field and in negotiations) -- now you've got a different set of problems to contend with.

Egyptology will say that just because you lift that way doesn't mean the Aes did. There's no record in Egyptology AE proper of such a machine - not even in writings and tomb pics. They'll say no machines existed during Khufu's period. Some scholar will find or make a study of the Greek word Herodotus used for machine. Herototus experts will say he reported unfounded legends, as they always say anyway when it comes to things he heard rather than saw for himself.

Then you have to contend with geopolymerization, which has been shown to date back 8,000 years in Syria for ion exchange pots needed for travel to distant places. Geopolymerization explains how GP and other blocks were positioned without machines. It explains insufficient ramp remains -- which should be more voluminous than the GP -- at Giza and the lack of broken blocks cutting produces. Geopolymerization explains the conforming fit of so many blocks and the level tiers and flat surfaces of casing and other examples. Geopolymerization explains so many masonry conundrums, like how diorite statues and quartizite statues were so finely made, that no lifting machine begins to approach. Geopolymerization can explain statues of Ramesses 1000 tons and more. Can your machine erect 1000 ton statues? If yes, why are you on message boards arguing a competing theory instead of using your system and providing the boards with progress reports and photos of demonstrations?

Then there's rapid construction. Can you demonstrate that you can keep pace with the 1 block set ever 2 or 3 minutes for 24 years? Can your method build the GP so fast (in 24 years) that its volume equals about as much stone as it took later Egyptians 1,500 years to construct into sandstone monuments after bronze was in use? Only working with concrete is that efficient. Can your theory address the mystery of size of the Giza quarries relative to the GP? No. Only geopolymerization can.

Then there are the scientific tests showing the pyramid stone is geopolymeric concrete (see Margaret Morris v Chris Dunn on this board) which you can try to rain on but aren't qualified to explain away no matter what you say. Fact: Only geopolymerization can deal with all of these issues in one sweep.

And you know that geopolymerization eliminates the need for your Herodotus machine. You're trying to squash the competing theory and no matter what you say on this board or on others it's not going to help your cause. Geopolymerization is too well entrenched and too logical and too well argued and too well supported by independent studies and solves too many problems in one sweep and too well understood by a growing number of people.

I have told you I'm glad to answer all of your questions when you've shown you're willing to behave in a civil manner. I'm not going to be bullied by you or your ticking clock tactic.

If I behaved the way you do, I'd demand answers on your Herotodus Machine.
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But I'm not demanding and know people shouldn't behave in such a way.

Anyway, concerning the answers you demand I'm waiting for Katherine's decision on setting standards. If you continue with your ugly behavior, I may send Katherine the answers to your questions privately because she says she wants to know too. Then she can verify that geopolymerists have answers for your questions.

I'll say this too and I'll apologize right now if it hurts your feelings but I'm going to say what I really think here: now that I see what you're up to -- dumping on a competing theory -- I don't believe you are worth my time. If you've got a workable system you should use it for what it's worth in the practical world and don't worry about ancient history or being wrong on that.

Sandy</HTML>
Subject Author Posted

2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Anthony September 29, 2001 06:42AM

To all of those who oppose the Geopolymer theory...

Anthony September 29, 2001 07:02AM

Re: To all of those who oppose the Geopolymer theory...

Frank Doernenburg September 29, 2001 05:06PM

Shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anthony September 29, 2001 05:34PM

Re: To all of those who oppose the Geopolymer theory...

Sandy J. Perkins September 29, 2001 06:03PM

1 Question

Richard Essame September 30, 2001 06:50PM

Re: 1 Question

Anthony October 01, 2001 07:57AM

Re: 1 Question

Richard Essame October 02, 2001 02:02AM

Re: 1 Question

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 07:08PM

Re: To all of those who oppose the Geopolymer theory...

Sandy J. Perkins September 29, 2001 05:58PM

Re: 2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Sandy J. Perkins September 29, 2001 05:56PM

Re: 2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Katherine Reece September 29, 2001 06:01PM

Re: 2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Sandy J. Perkins September 29, 2001 06:15PM

Re: 2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Katherine Reece September 30, 2001 12:50AM

A couple of points

Jon B September 30, 2001 02:01AM

Re: A couple of points

Sandy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 05:16PM

Re: A couple of points

Anthony September 30, 2001 05:24PM

Re: 2 Questions for Geopolymerists...

Anthony September 30, 2001 05:37AM

Recollection Validated

Anthony September 30, 2001 06:03AM

Attn: Katherine Will You Arbitrate?

Sandy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 05:28PM

Moderate yourself, Sandy

Anthony September 30, 2001 07:17PM

Sorry guys .....

Katherine Reece September 30, 2001 07:37PM

Re: Sorry guys .....

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 06:56PM

Your Just Making Yourself Look Worse

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 07:00PM

Sandy J Perkins

Claire October 01, 2001 03:20AM

Re: Sandy J Perkins

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 07:18PM

Re: Sandy J Perkins

Claire October 02, 2001 03:14AM

AGAIN you MISREPRESENT facts

Anthony October 02, 2001 07:53AM

My conduct

Anthony September 30, 2001 05:22AM

Herodotus Machine

Sandy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 06:42PM

Ad Hominem Machine...

Anthony September 30, 2001 07:23PM

Anthony's Competing Theory

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 09:50PM

Out of Line!

Blue October 02, 2001 07:03AM

Full Moon Fever

Anthony October 02, 2001 08:08AM

I have full moon fever too :-)

Claire October 02, 2001 08:17AM

Re: Out of Line!

Stephen Tonkin October 02, 2001 08:50AM

Re: Out of Line!

Blue October 02, 2001 04:17PM

A new name...

Anthony October 03, 2001 06:56AM

Re: A new name...

Blue October 03, 2001 07:13AM

TRANSLATION: &quot;Sandy says, 'I dunno'.&quot;

Anthony October 02, 2001 08:04AM

Pots and Kettles

Blue September 30, 2001 08:04PM

Blue's nap time

Anthony September 30, 2001 08:20PM

28 hours...

Anthony September 30, 2001 07:58AM

Re: 28 hours...

Samdy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 06:55PM

Another 10 hours

Anthony September 30, 2001 07:12PM

PS

Anthony September 30, 2001 07:25PM

Oops! I'll try that again (Two questions)

Jon B September 30, 2001 09:11AM

Answers to your questions

Anthony September 30, 2001 03:44PM

Correction

Sandy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 07:16PM

Re: Correction

Stephen Tonkin September 30, 2001 11:43PM

Re: Correction

Stephen Tonkin September 30, 2001 11:48PM

Re: Oops! I'll try that again (Two questions)

Sandy J. Perkins September 30, 2001 07:01PM

Re:Beat that Geopolymer Donkey

Brad September 30, 2001 08:37PM

No molds...

Anthony October 01, 2001 07:18AM

Re:Beat that Geopolymer Donkey

Sandy J. Perkins October 01, 2001 07:21PM

Re:Beat that Geopolymer Donkey

Anthony October 02, 2001 10:08AM

48 hours... isn't that a movei?

Anthony October 01, 2001 08:38AM

Re: 48 hours... isn't that a movei?

Derek Barnett October 01, 2001 01:03PM

Re: 48 hours... isn't that a movei?

Anthony October 01, 2001 01:42PM

Devils advocate.

Derek Barnett October 01, 2001 02:25PM

Re: Devils advocate.

Anthony October 01, 2001 02:34PM

Giving aid and succour.

Derek Barnett October 01, 2001 04:25PM

FINALLY! A REAL discussion on the topic!

Anthony October 02, 2001 09:55AM

Re: FINALLY! A REAL discussion on the topic!

Derek Barnett October 02, 2001 11:51AM

Re: 48 hours... isn't that a movei?

Blue October 01, 2001 03:45PM

Yes, you're wrong

Anthony October 01, 2001 04:13PM

Re: Yes, you're wrong

Blue October 01, 2001 04:33PM

Ooops...

Blue October 01, 2001 04:35PM

Re: Ooops...

Anthony October 01, 2001 04:41PM

Re: Ooops...

Blue October 01, 2001 05:18PM

Re: Ooops...

Anthony October 02, 2001 09:44AM

Re: Ooops...

Blue October 02, 2001 04:07PM



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