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May 13, 2024, 8:59 pm UTC    
November 16, 2006 04:02AM
Hi Andrew,

Just a few quick thoughts.


AC: "My colleague Rodney Hale has now reviewed various maps of Giza in relation to the stars of both Cygnus and Orion, and when I work out how to put pictures up here, I will show you the results. What they show pretty conclusively is, redshift or not, the stars of Cygnus work better than those of Orion."


For reasons that should be obvious, I hope he is not using photos of the 3-star asterism in Orion and the 'centre' 3 stars in Cygnus. As I have already pointed out, neither give a "precise" match, and it would be strange if they did. However, both star patterns 'match' the Giza layout reasonably well.

According to J.P. Allen, Sokar (zkrw, 'Speeder'), known as 'Sokar of Rasetjau' (r-sTAw, 'Mouth of the Ramp' - designation of the necropolis of Giza), was a god of meteors and comets, represented as a falcon; associated with metalworking and worshipped primarily at Memphis.

'Long Wings' (dwn-anwi), was Horus as predator and protector of the eastern desert. The Egyptian name is vocalized as Dewenanui.

'Long-Wings' in the PTs:

Thoth is Pepi's brother, Long-Wings [is Pepi's] sibling........ P342

Meryre is Long-Wings.... P 460

Wash your face, Osiris, and your second, Long-Wings...... N 70

It would be interesting to see the compelling evidence for zkrw as dwn-anwi, as this seems to be crucial to your idea.

CT
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If Not Orion ... then How about Cygnus ?

Don Barone November 12, 2006 09:27PM

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Anthony November 13, 2006 01:07AM

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Dave L November 13, 2006 10:51AM

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Anthony November 13, 2006 11:08AM

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Hans November 13, 2006 03:33AM

Re: Egyptian Maps

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Re: If Not Orion ... then How about Cygnus ?

Anthony November 13, 2006 09:00AM

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Anthony November 13, 2006 09:52AM

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Anthony November 14, 2006 03:30PM

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Don Barone November 14, 2006 07:29PM

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David Johnson November 15, 2006 04:33AM

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Anthony November 15, 2006 06:11AM

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Don Barone November 13, 2006 10:32AM

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Don Barone November 13, 2006 11:21AM

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Greg Reeder November 13, 2006 12:11PM

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Don Barone November 13, 2006 12:48PM

Cygnus / Giza - a precise fit ?

Chris Tedder November 14, 2006 01:07PM

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Don Barone November 14, 2006 01:21PM

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Don Barone November 14, 2006 02:17PM

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Anthony November 14, 2006 02:21PM

The best input yet on this thread!

Anthony November 14, 2006 02:19PM

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the link

Anthony November 15, 2006 06:25PM

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translation

Warwick L Nixon November 16, 2006 10:59AM

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Re: Cygnus / Giza - a precise fit ?

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Chris Tedder November 15, 2006 02:17PM

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Don Barone November 15, 2006 02:19PM

About time I said something about Cygnus vs Orion

Andrew Collins November 15, 2006 08:38PM

Re: About time I said something about Cygnus vs Orion

Chris Tedder November 16, 2006 04:02AM

Long Wings...

Morph November 16, 2006 05:12AM

Re: Long Wings...

Warwick L Nixon November 16, 2006 11:19AM

Re: Long Wings...

Morph November 16, 2006 11:58AM

winging it...

Warwick L Nixon November 16, 2006 12:35PM

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Anthony November 16, 2006 05:38AM

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Warwick L Nixon November 16, 2006 04:42PM

Sokar not related to Saqqara

Greg Reeder November 16, 2006 04:38PM

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Warwick L Nixon November 16, 2006 04:43PM

Sokar is Solar

Greg Reeder November 16, 2006 04:49PM

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Morph November 16, 2006 05:10PM

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Unresolved issues

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