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May 14, 2024, 12:14 pm UTC    
November 15, 2006 08:38PM
Hi, all,

Just thought I would say a few words about the Cygnus vs Orion debate featuring that ole battle ground, the Giza plateau.

Firstly, the fact that the three 'cross' stars of Cygnus matches the three main pyramids at Giza could well simply be coincidence, and so is irrelevant to the constellation's role in the cult of Sokar at Giza, ancient Rostau, as voiced in THE CYGNUS MYSTERY.

Secondly, it was definitely not done to challenge Robert Bauval's OCT, which I have mixed opinions about. I have just finished reading THE EGYPT CODE, which I consider to be a definitive attempt to understand Egypt's sky-religion, from the perspective of the Heliopolitan priesthood's perspective. No one can do it quite like Robert Bauval.

On the downside, if the stars of Cygnus do fit better over the three main pyramids than do Orion, then surely this calls to question all attempts to overlay stars over the plateau.

Thirdly, the reason why myself and technical engineer Rodney Hale even went down this road is the clear connections between Rostau's (i.e. Giza's) and the cult of Sokar, who is represented among the north star group as dwn-‘nwy, the falcon-headed god.

As I write:

"Sokar as Cygnus
"Sokar is usually depicted as a falcon-headed man either seated on a celestial throne or enshrouded as a mummy, signifying new life through astral flight. Livio Stecchini saw him as the god who presided over the establishment of the geographical limits of Upper and Lower Egypt, based on units of measure which showed that the Ancient Egyptians were aware of the latitude and longitude of the earth.

"Sokar was thus seen as extending his two wings to embrace, or cover, the geographical extent of Egypt. It was in this role that he gained the title ‘great god with his two wings opened’, which is so similar to dwn-‘nwy’s own title of ‘he who unfolds two wings’, that the two are surely one and the same, which, if correct, means that in astronomical terms Sokar is Cygnus. This relationship between the two falcon-headed deities is confirmed in the knowledge that both dwn-‘nwy and Sokar might have featured in the ‘Stretching of the Cord’ ceremony, while in the Pyramid Texts both gods are identified with Osiris, lord of the dead, and thus with the deceased in their role as Osiris.

"In addition to this, Sokar, like Horus, was god of artisans, craftsmen and blacksmiths. In the Pyramid Texts Sokar is linked specifically with bja, meteoric iron, a principal theme of the stellar religion, from which he fashions the bones of the deceased. One utterance speaks of him splitting open the bja shell of the sun-egg, inside which is the new-born king in the form of Horus the Younger, who rises to avenge the murder of his father Osiris. As we saw in the last chapter, meteoric iron was linked both with the adze used in the Opening of the Mouth ceremony, and through this with the cult centre of Letopolis."


Thus Sokar, connected with Rostau repeatedly in the Pyramid Texts, becomes a patron of Giza as Rostau. If he can be associated with the stars of Cygnus, then it is relevant that from Giza Deneb, its brightest star, was seen to rise above Heliopolis c. 3000-2500 BC. Since Bauval puts so much emphasis on the relationship between Giza and sight-lines to Heliopolis in his latest book, this alignment seems relevant.

Moreover, the placement of the three main pyramids of Giza in relation to Cygnus is based on the constellations setting, c. 3000-2500 BC, on the north-western horizon, and so no flipping or mirroring is necessary. It is a case of simply sliding the stars across the landscape, magic lantern style, until they reach the Giza plateau.

My colleague Rodney Hale has now reviewed various maps of Giza in relation to the stars of both Cygnus and Orion, and when I work out how to put pictures up here, I will show you the results. What they show pretty conclusively is, redshift or not, the stars of Cygnus work better than those of Orion.

As I say, this could all be just coincidence, but it is worth considering, especially as another of Cygnus's stars, Albireo, Arab for 'the gullet' or 'mouth' falls in the vicinity of Gebel Ghibli, the most obvious candidate on the plateau, according to Robert Bauval and Simon Cox for a mound of creation, and the gateway to Giza's hidden dimensions, close to which the Shetayet of Sokar was once located.

As for the Deneb spot, this falls precisely in the vicinity of Tomb or Mastaba 14, which was investigated by Lepsius and found to contain no insciptions or grave goods. Nearby Vyse and Perring found quantities of bird mummies, which have never been explained. Were they in some way connected with the cult of Sokar?? Was Tomb 14 important in some way to the architecture of the plateau? Thoughts please.


Cheers,

Andrew Collins
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If Not Orion ... then How about Cygnus ?

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Cygnus / Giza - a precise fit ?

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About time I said something about Cygnus vs Orion

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Long Wings...

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Sokar not related to Saqqara

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Sokar is Solar

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