September 19, 2004 03:04PM
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Salsassin Wrote:
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> >That's not necessarily true. Recessive genes
> are not the same thing as mutations. Some
> mutations are dominant genes. I think you're
> confusing two things here. You also seem to
> confuse the expression of a gene with a mutation.
>
>
> recessive genes weren't always there. So where did
> they come from? dominant genes that come from
> mutations would have been quite obvious. Might
> have been culled from the group or not. But either
> way, you either would have noticed such genetic
> traits and their manifestations in other
> populations in world. So where are these
> populations? Where are the other blonde blue eyed
> populations?
How do you know how long a recessive gene has been around if it isn't expressed? What evidence do you have of what any people looked like before about 3-4000 BCE? We don't have portraits that show any skin color or hair type. Blonde and red-haired mummies have been in Asia, in China.
> >Genes and looks are two different things.
>
> But looks are manifestations of genes. So either
> they are apparent in other populations or they are
> recessive. Or there is a mutation in the new
> group.
>
> Which was it?
Looks are not manifestations of genes. That's why I said they are two different things. A recessive gene is not expressed if a dominant gene is present. A person who carries a gene for brown eyes and a gene blue eyes will look brown-eyed, exactly the same as a person who carries two genes for brown eyes. The blue-eye gene is recessive and is only expressed if both eye color genes are for blue.
> >I didn't say they were newer people. IIRC,
> Cavalli-Sforza says the DNA of West African blacks
> is more recent in human populations.
>
> I'll have to wait to get my book back and reread
> it. So if we create a time line when is West
> Africa populated in comparison to Europe?
Populating an area is not linked to necessarily linked to genes. People moved around a lot...
> >In general, Africans are people who live in or
> are born in Africa. The designation "African" has
> nothing to do with skin color.
>
> Redundant information we both know that.
If you know it, you should be more careful in your phrasing.
> >There is no reason to assume that the darkest
> human skin existed as long as humans were in
> Africa. Evidence suggests the darkest skin came
> into being later.
>
> But you are arguing that darker skin came before
> lighter skin in humans not medium skin.
No, I'm not.
> >Chimps and other primates are lighter
> skinned.
>
> Which might present the possibility of recessive
> gene form the days of fur to produce less melanin
> in the skin in proto-humans for light skin.
Didn't you read Bernard's post the other day about skin color? Why do you keep insisting that light skin is due to a recessive gene?
> But
> for humans to have had light skin before dark
> skin, there would have to have been a population
> of furry humans.
???
> We are talking modern humans not
> shagggy creatures. Because Apes carry their
> melanin protection in their hair instead of their
> skin. And definitely no blond blue eyes in that
> case either.
Ornagutans are strawberry blond...
> So how would light skin in people
> without fur have come about before dark skin (not
> medium brown skin)?
Who said it did? Just above you accused me of saying darker skin came before lighter skin instead of "medium" skin. I'm not interested in going in circles, so I'm done.
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