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May 19, 2024, 7:09 am UTC    
August 01, 2001 05:44AM
<HTML>Mattcarps wrote:
>
> > Well, I respect your honesty here. But I do not
> believe that
> > there is such a thing as a "best" country. Every country has
> > its good points and bad points. If people start to look at
> > other countries and say theirs is a "better" country, then
> > following from this, they say theirs is a better populace. It
> > leads eventually to jingoism and, yes, racism.
>
> Dave: "It can do, yes. But so can most other things."
>
> Oh come on, Dave. This is a very poor excuse. You are
> advocating an attitude which leads to more racism and
> xenophobia in society on the basis that "most other things"
> can lead to the same result. What other things? Vague and not
> very responsible.

Whoa. I am not advocating any sort of racism and xenophobia. If anything the real racists and xenophobes are those who insist on submerging the UK into a federal europe for example. I want the UK to be governed by its own citizens, of whatever color or ethnicity they may be. Is this racist?

I think that despite our faults, the UK is the best country in the world. And it's people, white, black, yellow, red are the best as well (by-and-large). Am I thus racist?

>
> That is similar to advocating a loosening of the gun
> restrictions in Britain on the basis that people get killed
> by many other means anyway.
>

It's nothing of the sort.

> That reminds me of the comment by the head of the National
> Rifle Association: "Guns don't kill people- people do". Yes,
> but the gun helps, surely? Take away the gun and you don't
> have a problem.
>

Take away a car and you'll stop thousands of people being killed every year in road accidents. Stop people from going outdoors and you'll prevent hundreds of people falling off mountains and cliffs...

> Take away the Daily Mail and the World is a much nicer place
> in my opinion.
>

So freedom of speech is only for people you agree with?

> I realise that I have used very extreme examples here, but it
> gets the message accross. I feel that the Daily Mail has the
> potential to effect society in such a strong and adverse way
> that it needs to reign in its opinions. Tone them down.
> Extreme reactions lead to an extreme society.

Obviously the fact that they've spent two full pages campaigning against the racist and anti-semitic Louis Farrakan means nothing to you as you've already made up your mind that the Mail is racist and nothing will change your mind on this.

Best Regards,
Dave



>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Matt.</HTML>
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