I would say that the wikipedia djed is the unusual one.
They are rarely coloured and tall like that. Just check some other sources.
A critical parts are the four horizontal bars at the top.
They are present on Djoser's Djed pillars.
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Just to make sure we are seeing the same thing, the Djed column is in the black circle :
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DJEDEFRE’S ANGLE
Djedefre’s Pyramid was not originally a section of this article as there are only remains of a pyramid at Abu Roash. However there are some concepts that will relate to the Giza pyramids.
Djedefre and Khufu
Djedefre built his pyramid 8 km northwest of his father’s Great Pyramid at Giza. His pyramid seems to have been intentionally related to the Great Pyramid in several
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Hi Hermione,
yes it's like an optical illusion !
I think it was created by the lighting in the chamber.
However, the whitish colour are the bricks of the back wall.
On top of this, the blue ceramic faience tiles were fixed with cement.
The walls with 9 djeds were all removed from under the Step Pyramid where they were a bit dilapidated.
The pictures you see now are repaired walls in
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Hi Alex,
Thank you for being generally supportive. Your questions are good as they test the evidence. But I have no new evidence so I will just do a summary of my responses here.
You : we see the Great Ennead, consisting of 10 Gods: Atum, Shu and Tefnut, Geb and Nut, Isis, Set and Nephthys, Thoth, Horus.
No, it is nine because the last one Horus is the Horus King Pepi who was being addressed
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Hi Byrd,
I am just wondering if you are looking at the djeds. They are not white, but blue with the flat projections.
If the blue was water it could still be the cosmic waters.
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In Djoser’s ‘mansion’ beneath the Step Pyramid are blue faience walls that represent the sky.
The top of the sky is seen to be held up by djed pillars.
There were two panels, one was over a doorway. The other shown below.
Each had nine djeds.
It is not difficult to see a motive for this number - it was like the Great Ennead of On with its nine sky gods ruled the firmament.
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You : What translation of the Pyramid Texts are you using?
Faulkner lines 181 to 192. But I have looked at Sethe and Allen which are basically similar.
They all translate the text as Little or Lessor Ennead.
You : 'Ennead' is a term that by its origin means 'group of nine' and is depicted accordingly.
Yes, I think the hieroglyth was created to describe the nine g
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Your point 1 : Both the Great and Little Ennead are depicted as nine R8 glyphs
I think you will find that the hieroglyph for 'Ennead' has nine R8 glyphs. It just reads 'Ennead'
Your point 2 : There is assumption that 'nDst' (Little) may actually be a miswriting of 'wrt' (Great)
I am not able to comment on any miswriting. But the sparrow is written
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Hi again Alex,
You might find this observation interesting.
The elevation of the 4 stars shafts of the great Pyramid seem to have been chosen for other reasons than directional accuracy.
KC south shaft was 77 / 77 which can be written as 11 / 11. The north shaft was 7 / 11. The average of these is 9 / 11
It must have been a coincidence that the two asterisms of Orion’s Belt and the M
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Hi Alex,
In the tomb of Khasekhemwy there were four stars that made the 'box' around the pole, not two stars as later for the Bent Pyramid.
I will look a bit further into these four stars to see how the 20 equal sections was done.
In Spence's ST the first pyramid to use the Mizar-Kocab line was the Meidum pyramid.
You wrote "the same question may arise as with Spence&
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Sorry, I meant Saturn, not Mars in the first part.
Regarding the Khufu fragment, Hermione has shown a link in a thread just above about the team excavating the temple who found it.
For the inscription below it, I may have used this source :
hassan_giza_10 page 23
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You : “ . . . here I think we might consider the kings boundary run representing the two lands rather than two skys”
This was the case for a lifetime Sed Festival for the living king. I think the nome gods were not sky deities, so would not witness the sky Heb Sed.
You : The feast of the tail was a less important affair, and it refers to the tail of a wolf (not a bull) Wepwawet (Shaw 2003)
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Hi Engbren,
Thanks for the link to Hawass's article.
The pyramid alongside Khufu's pyramid was outside the enclosure. That means is was not for the Heb Sed.
I think the status of it is not clear.
I had read Degreef's article. It shows how many rituals and sub-ceremonies are in the Sed festival including the Opening of the Mouth, and the Smiting of Enemies.
The Sed Festiv
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some information here :
4th and 5th paragraphs
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I think you are querying the second fragment with the King being crowned, not the one above it showing the King's run.
It is the one shown as being Sneferu on your Wikipedia link. I will check my source.
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Part 5 : The Great Pyramid
The burial chamber was large with its two small shafts connecting to the skies. There was a Grand Gallery with a stone stairway each side and there was Great Step at the top vertically under the apex. Also a second chamber, called the Queen’s Chamber, again vertically under the apex.
The Grand Gallery was much 'grander' than its small prototype in the
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Hi Alex,
You : While the seven stars of Meskhetiu are well attested in funerary iconography, the same cannot be said for the seven stars (or the two stars you used) of Ursa Minor. It would be interestiong to identify these stars in ancient sources (except the "two adzes" in the PT). This is the first point.
Reply : I think it's not the seven stars of Ursa Minor that is the is
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PART 4 : The Red Pyramid
Assuming that the Red Pyramid was to be the replacement burial tomb of Sneferu, we can examine the structures for his afterlife Heb Seds.
Stadelmann found a partial inscription confirming the Heb Sed was to be performed there.
The Red Pyramid had three large chambers, one more than the Bent Pyramid. The burial chamber was accessed by an entrance high up in the
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"Another question is about the number of panels in Djoser's enclosure wall. You write that you checked the numbers, does this mean that you counted them personally (from drawings or on the site)?"
I checked them using a drawing based on Lauer's reconstruction.
All the narrow panels have to be counted. Half are recessed and half flush with the wall.
The formula for the co
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"my question is: do the pattern you discovered remains true for 200-year-higher chronology?"
Hi Alex, Yes and no.
My pattern is aimed to get the layout of the pyramid similar to the stars. The burial chambers are shown where the celestial pole was, (or where Thuban was if an inscription tells us this.) The stars are shown to make the square area of the sky.
200 years earlier,
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sorry - small correction in the first paragraph above. Sneferu's father was not Djoser. Sneferu started the Fourth Dynasty.
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Part 3: The Bent Pyramid
Compared to his father’s complex at Saqqara, Sneferu’s Bent Pyramid was more economical in scale, but it preserved the Hed Sed facilities.
The enclosure was smaller and the wall less elaborate. The southern tomb was replaced by a satellite pyramid. This was a true pyramid shape.
Two Pyramids in one
The Bent Pyramid was a double shape – like two pyramids in
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Thanks Alex for your encouragement !
It does not line up a couple of times with the Multi-Star Target Model.
But I wish you well with your thesis.
Graham
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PART 2 : Djoser’s Complex at Saqqara
The whole complex was a manifestation par excellence of Heb Sed structures.
There was a continuity of concepts from Khasekhemwy to Djoser, but with big improvements. First, many of the structures for the Heb Sed were represented in stone, although the stones were often carved to look like the temporary materials normally used.
A second difference be
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Heb Seds and Pyramid Design
This is going to be a series of articles as I want to consider each structure in turn.
So the separate posts ordered by time will be as follows :
Part 1 Khasekemwy’s Tomb
Part 2 Djoser’s Complex
Part 3 The Bent Pyramid
Part 4 The Red Pyramid
Part 5 The Great Pyramid
Part 6 Khafre’s pyramid
Part 7 The 5th and 6th Dynasties
Part 8 Summary a
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I think if Chris had used 55 degrees elevation for Betelgeuse he would find that Alnitack was in vertical alignment at an elevation of 45 deg.
The date would have to be 2535 BC which is close to Kate Spences's date.
Interesting too, the ratio of the angles 55 and 45 degrees is 11 to 9, the same ratio of the heights in the Bent Pyramid - 110 and 90 cubits. !
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Chris : "Seven Enneads are mentioned in the PTs (§311)"
I did not find this reference.
What is the list of the seven gods ?
Is the actual word Ennead used to describe them ?
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I see there is a bit missing from my email.
The link to paste a picture in your message goes from img to /img, with their square brackets.
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Hi Kanga : To upload pictures try this.
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