AS : "When the stars of Orion rise over your head"
That is now, in 2500BC the HIGHEST they reached was 45 degrees.
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Ronald : "...but this does not imply that the three monuments were intended as a group nor that they were the representation of certain stars from Orion's belt."
One of the results of the idea of "the pyramids and the two skies" is that it does give a reason why they might well represent star groups of the two skies.
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Ronald : "Then explain why Menkaure's does not lie exactly in the prolongation of the 'Khufu-Khafre diagonal' and why even Khafre's does not correspond exactly with the prolongation of Khufu's diagonal ? "
I remember you asked this question a couple of years ago and it was answered.
First there is no Khufu-Khafre diagonal, as you rightly say.
To make a thre
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Sam : "There could be other reasons for these placements than the ones you offer."
Which other reasons for the three juxtaposed pyramids are you thinking of ?
In the idea of 'the pyramids and the two skies', the three pyramids together are a fourth method of linking to the two skies. The other methods are employed by Djoser, Sneferu and Khufu - all different.
The prop
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Warwick "Just think..if they'd followed your advice the pyramids would still be there today"
Ha ha, but you missed his point.
The position of the pyramid was sometimes more important than the best spot.
For example the Bent Pyramid. (which is also still there by the way)
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As : "The proof of a coincidence being intentional is not the further layering of more coincidences. The trio of you, and the thousands of others before you, have proven nothing more than your ability to superimpose your beliefs about geometry onto an unrelated set of structures built by a people with no demonstrated interest in what you happen to find fascinating."
Definitely not.
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Ronald : "The Gizamids are where they are as a result of the need of stable ground, the vicinity of suitable quarries, etc."
I think this comment is just denial for the sake of it.
Obviously practical reasons were important, but it was demonstrated about 2 years ago by myself, Chris Tedder and Jim Allison that the three were geometrically linked.
I thought we had moved on from thi
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H : "Lauer's 1930 survey came up 1,040 by 528 cubits"
Was this to the middle of the wall ?(sorry that this has been discussed on Maat, but I cannot remember the details)
H : "don't you think they'd have started out with that value in mind?"
Not at all, new ideas can be incorporated at every change.
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Hi Anthony,
AS : "What evidence do you have for this assertion?"
The ceiling of the tomb of Senenmet, although much later, illustrates and has text that links the stars to calendar events using both halves of the sky.
As : "This idea has been floated and debunked years ago. The enclosure of Djoser's pyramid was enlarged multiple times, so the dimensions we see now, a
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Hi Robert,
Thanks for the Egypt Code reference. I enjoyed reading the book.
It is interesting that you think the importance of two skies concept existed well before Djoser. I look forward to your joint venture book.
In my post I proposed a stellar symbolism for the pair of pyramids at Dashur. I am aware that you thought this was a remaining puzzle.
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The Pyramids and the Two Skies
Below are the fundamentals of an idea that takes its cue from Imhotep and applies it to the pyramids after Djoser’s. It leads to some new and interesting interpretations.
The pyramid complex at Saqqara designed by Imhotep for King Djoser was a revolutionary building in many ways. The Hed Seb theme was used above and below ground. The link between the Heb Sed
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Warwick "and why not the more conventional simpler theory ie a Tomb each for Upper and Lower Egypt"
The tombs were for the dead, with starry ceilings.
The Temples of the North and South, although made of stone were fashioned to look like living materials, eg reeds and lily.
The serdab looks to the northern sky area.
Warwick : "Khufu, who then has control over Sah and Sothis?
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Warwick : "Imhotep's creation is a recreation of the world "
Yes, AND the sky - dual sympbolism.
The complex represents the circle of the horizon, earth below sky above made into a square with North South East and West.
(The clues of the squaring of the circle and the time markers are interpreted from the amazing structure of the enclosing wall)
There are two tombs, on
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"I can't understand how one can begin to understand AE beliefs rituals and fetishes if one only researches those relating to Death..."
The link between the Heb Sed and the afterlife is well attested at Djoser's complex at Saqqara.
How do you understand this link ?
I suggest that it relates to the preservation of Maat in Egypt; the dead King is required to assist in re
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"So bang goes another link to Sumer."
Thanks Dave, I would agree with that if the hawk statuette was conclusively found, although other animals seem more common - in the City of the Hawk !
Do you have a link to the report ?
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Yes any migrants would bring changes like for example in England by the Roman invasion of Britain. In the end the new ways are fused with existing culture.
There were indeed many changes in Dynasty 0 around 3200 BC notably :
The first town(s)
Organised agriculture
The beginning of kingship
The use of tags and symbols
Some of these undoubtedly were influenced by contact with Sumer. The
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"If there were tombs at Abydos during the Predynastic, and if the tumuli at Dilmun date between 2400-1700 BC"
The gap in dates is not really there. I have not heard about any tombs at Abydos during the pre-dynastic. It was the practice then to use burial grounds near to the settlements.
Records from the 2400-1700 BC period in Mesopotamia referred to an ancient previous culture (t
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"cartographic systems" ? . . . "extensive surveys" ?
As I understand it, the elevation of a chosen star (at its highest) can compare two positions as to which is more north or more south.
To find a latitude the same as Dilmun would have been relatively easy - just find a position in Egypt with the same elevation to the chosen star as used for Dilmun.
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Hi Hermione
From your message : "In order to make any such assumption, you would have to provide evidence that the AE and the Sumerians were capable of large-scale land surveys, and that they possessed the intellectual infrastructure to devise a global system of a sort capable of defining and measuring latitude (and, presumably, longitude, although that's more difficult)."
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Abydos and Dilmun
To explain the sudden appearance of Sumerian culture in Hierakonpolis around 3200 BC, such at the palace style architecture and mace designs, historians have generally just surmised that there was contact between Egypt and Sumer.
For Sumerians there was a massive royal necropolis at Dilmun, now the island of Bahrain. The funeral processions would have left by boats from th
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