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The legal case takes off.
<< A hearing at the High Court, on Thursday, was told Mr Taylor was bringing legal action against Mr Coogan, his production company Baby Cow, and Pathé Productions. >>
<< Philippa Langley (pictured) was portrayed by Sally King in the film >>
Er ... that would be Sally Hawkins.
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Hermione
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Paper Lens
Yes, "Daughter of Time" is well known.
My husband says that the problem with the life story in the Gelders Archief is that it could have been written by anyone. And, if it was the work of one of Richard III's sons, and since it's unlikely they spoke Middle Dutch, then the text of the document would have had to be translated and dictated to a scribe. Easy for misunderstand
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Hermione
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Ancient History
Josephine Tey's book, "Daughter of Time" presented some strong arguments (including documents) that Richard did NOT kill them. Hadn't heard of the "escaped" rumor, though.
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Byrd
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Ancient History
Documents in European archives help exonerate Richard III from the accusation of murdering his nephews:
QuoteThe receipt (held at the Archives Departementales du Nord, Lille, France)
A 1487 receipt in medieval French for 400 long pikes to be supplied to a Yorkist army of German-Swiss soldiers preparing to invade England.
The army is being sent by “Madam the Dowager” (Margaret of Burgundy
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Hermione
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Ancient History
S it's just got more depressing:
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Hermione
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Paper Lens
It seems that meeting his fate on the field of battle in 1485 was not the least of his problems.
During his lifetime, he suffered from scoliosis and parasites . He was suspected of murdering the Princes in the Tower . Then, in death, he was ignominiously buried under a car-park , only to be reinterred in Leicester rather than York or Westminster, .
Now, to cap it all, the makers of the
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Hermione
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Paper Lens
The discovery of the medieval English king Richard III, who fought battle in vain in 1485, has become almost as memorable as the life of the man himself, with details such as his unlikely resting place - a car park - capturing the public imagination.
A film has been made about the discovery - The Lost King - starring Steve Coogan and Sally Hawkins and is due for release shortly.
Royal r
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Hermione
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Ancient History
Some of my first words were from Richard III. My sister loved Shakespeare, so I was quickly taught "My kingdom for a horse!" and "Now is the winter of our discontent".
I will never know why the two of us weren't drowned or left by the roadside.
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Khazar-khum
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Humanities
Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> Last time I ate there, Stuart Anderson's was
> anything but an archaeological site. Maybe the one
> near you is filled with fossils, but our local one
> isn't.
Digging in the basement wasn't productive? Try digging beneath the Clovis layer.
The Bristo, in The Dalles Oregon is sitting
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Lee Olsen
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Ancient History
Possession is 9/10ths of the Law...
Richard definitely HAD the boys when they were last seen...
Henry may have benefitted from their death but didn't have them in hand to kill...
They were absolutely no weapon for Richard to use to stop Henry... the claim "these boys have more right to the throne than HE does" cuts against Richard as well...
Sir James Tyrrel, loyal se
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Jammer
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Humanities
They would simply be handed over to a monastery as a noble's bastards, and the monastery would have taken them as such. There was a lot of that, and they were used to taking up the surplus, as it were. There would be a cash grant given anonymously, the boys' stories of their old lives would be discounted, and they'd be off to spend the rest of their lives in contemplation.
Mayb
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Khazar-khum
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Humanities
So your saying Richard III could murder his nephews but not lie about it?! That is simply hilarious!! Also what an utterly amusing sense of morality. After all Isabela had zero trouble lying about murdering Edward II, and Henry IV had no trouble lying about murdering Richard II. I could also mention the story of Henry I and William II, hunting in the forest and William dying by a "hunting ac
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Pacal
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Humanities
You say:
"For me the conclusive evidence is that Richard publicly denied on oath he had conspired to kill his wife and marry his niece. But never said a word about the even more damaging accusation he murdered his nephews."
You have got to be kidding. Richard III had enough nerve and gall to murder his nephews but could not lie about it!? you can't be serious. In the past Eng
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Pacal
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Humanities
I can speak from personal experience when I say that tilting at a target is fun.
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Khazar-khum
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Humanities
'The discovery of Richard III's skeleton changed my life'
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Hermione
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Humanities
There bottom line remains, that although there is much mysterious about the Princes in the tower disappearing it is still most likely that Richard III did away with them, in 1483.
That said there are still questions, such as:
1), Why did the Princes just disappear? Traditionally when inconvenient Kings / pretenders died it was announced and some sort of cock and bull story put out. In this
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Pacal
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Humanities
University of Leicester archaeologists who discovered and helped to identify the mortal remains of King Richard III have created a 3D interactive representation of the grave and the skeleton of the king under the car park.
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Hermione
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Humanities
"I was Richard III! I had three curtain calls!"
Just like mother used to make.
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Khazar-khum
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Paper Lens
Jammer Wrote:
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> There is actually a 3rd suspect...
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> Elizabeth.
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> Consort to Richard III, wife & justifier Royal
> of Henry the VII... she was a very important
> figure to the throne claimants, provided her claim
> could be reinstated. If the 2 princes were alive
> however, they would both have
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cicely
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Laboratory
There is actually a 3rd suspect...
Elizabeth.
Consort to Richard III, wife & justifier Royal of Henry the VII... she was a very important figure to the throne claimants, provided her claim could be reinstated. If the 2 princes were alive however, they would both have prior claim.
I am not saying she killed them herself, but she well could have motivated Richard to do so. Henry neve
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Jammer
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Laboratory
My money is still on Isabel of Castile, wife of Edmund Duke of York supposed male line ancestor of the House of York. The lady had a contemporary reputation but being at that time far from the line of succession nobody seems to have followed up the accusations. Of course since the House of York's claim came from Anne Mortimer - who married Isabel's younger son Richard it doesn't
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Roxana Cooper
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Laboratory
> "Another False Paternity Found in Richard III’s Family Tree"
> "LEICESTER, ENGLAND—The remains of Richard III were reburied today in Leicester Cathedral. Last year, researchers from the University of Leicester discovered that the fallen king’s Y-chromosome did not match that of a group of living male relatives who descended from Henry Somerset, fifth Duke of Beaufort
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Jammer
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Laboratory
Given Richard's claims that his brothers were bastards this is truly ironic. I wonder which of Richard's female ancestors it was who stepped out? My money is on Isabella of Castille, she had quite a rep in the day. BTW if it was her the break wouldn't affect the house of York's rights to the throne as they came through their descent from Philippa of Clarence by way of Anne Mo
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
It sure looks like he should have, doesn't it?
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
I think we all realize that Richard's deformity was exaggerated by later tradition - which Shakespeare was echoing not inventing. I wonder if he suffered from back pain?
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Roxana Cooper
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Ancient History
This is an intriguing article.
As we see, he was not hunchbacked, nor was he a limping cripple. What else did Shakespeare 'alter' to please his Tudor patrons?
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Khazar-khum
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Ancient History
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