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<HTML>*grins* Me too. To be honest, if there's definitive proof of Richard III's guilt, I'd love to see it. To me, it's mostly circumstantial and based upon two writers with obvious bias and can't be completely accurate sources of information.
There are some sites with some great information against Richard III being guilty and some sites about him being guilty.
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Cyn
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<HTML>I've always liked Josephine Tey's exploration of Richard's innocence in "The Daughter of Time".</HTML>
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Sally_Stanton
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<HTML>Cyn started a new thread for this discussion ................... continue <a href="; please</HTML>
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>I figured it might be easier to move this topic up here, especially since we're delving into a side portion of history. As Cicely pointed out, this one point is the "Amarna sinkhole of English history" where things have been hotly contested for over 500 years.
One of the best links I've ever read on this topic is <a href=" and the Two Princes</a> at
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Cyn
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<HTML>"Amarna Sinkhole of English history"
Oh that's just so.......good. We need to trademark that phrase for Ma'at. ;o)
And I think you make a good point. Look at the timeline involved. Plus, who can say whether or not Henry was or wasn't in coersion with Richard III? Heck, they could've both been guilty for all we know.
*grins* I have a thing for myste
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Cyn
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<HTML>I know that many people thought he did it. However, look at the sources who spoke on him having done it, especially More who was a Lancasterist. It's one of those, who wrote the information and how much did they let personal feelings and such play part in it. It's a huge reason on why I have doubts. Then there's the whole fact that the bodies were never recovered or pro
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Cyn
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<HTML> Yeah, read it.
Why is it so difficult for people to accept motive+ opportunity=guilt? *Who* controlled the Tower and the two princes? Who benefited from their deaths? Richard III that's who.
In all justice Richard had good reason to fear for his safety after Edward IV's death. The Queen, Elizabeth Woodville, and her large and greedy family were old enemies of his
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML>Oooh, you mean you do think he's guilty of killing the two young Princes. Hmmmm....*slowly backs up and gets on the equipment*
And from what I've read on it, I don't think he is. Or at least it's not completely been proven to me that he is directly guilty.
*looks for the riot armour*
There was a great fiction book about the issue by Elizabeth Peters, "
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Cyn
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<HTML> The author you're thinking of is Josephine Tey I believe. And Richard III was guilty as hell.</HTML>
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML> What total rot. If I recall correctly the Edward IV was illegitimate theory was first floated by Richard III, (who clearly didn't mind maligning his own mother) as yet another good excuse for shoving aside his nephews.
Not to mention the fact that Queen Elizabeth still has a perfectly good Lancastrian claim through Henry VII.
Mind you there's nothing more likely
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Roxana Cooper
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<HTML>Caesar? Which one? Julius? He was alright...had some slight issues with him not playing well with others.
Alexander? He was alright. Pretty interesting. *grins*
William I? My 1066 guy, Battle of Hastings? I prefer Edward I even though he went after Wales. *sigh* Yet, William I is pretty interesting too. When we get to Richard I and Richard III, I'm all ears and then some.
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Cyn
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<HTML>Thank you, Cyn, for the welcome and the warning. I'm really looking forward to the dialogue. As I said to Cicely, two of my favorite books growing up were Kusche's Bermuda Triangle book and Posner's Case Closed, so debunk my assumptions, please! I hope to make clear when I'm openly assuming something, the better to be corrected with the truth.
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boloboffin
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<HTML>Hmmmm if I can go back in time: I want to see from Amenhotep III's time through the end of Ay's rule. Oh, take a glimmer at the Harem Conspiracy, then go take a walk with the Sapho and figure her out, then pop over to Britain and see if there's a real King Arthur, check out who Robin Hood was, see how bad Prince John really was. See what happened to the nephews of Rich
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Cyn
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<HTML>I thank all who participated in this exercise in Trivia.
I asked the question because it is a wonderful example of how the answers to historical questions are sometimes based on assumtions and conventions. In this case the convention that Edgar III of Wessex who was crowned at Bath in 973 C.E. is the first King England clashes with the convention of only counting English kings from
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Pacal
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<HTML>OOOOOhhh The nephews...that's an intriguing case. I like Elizabeth Peter's book, <i>The Murders of Richard III</i>. It's fiction but comes up with some of the most popular theories regarding them. =o)
Cyn</HTML>
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Cyn
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> I feel somewhat the same about British History. Once
> Elizabeth passed on.....
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> Or Roman history. After Marcus Aurellius, well suffice to say
> he was the last of the Noble Romans IMHO.
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On British history I do have a lot of interest in the Tudors and in Richard III (but mostly about the death of his nephews)
Rome & Greece I just can't do at all
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>"By far the most interesting Shakespearean document ever unearthed.-Williard Parker
In 1867 in Northumberland House a manuscript folder was discovered which at one time had been in Francis Bacon's possession. The folder contained a list with some of Bacon's well-known works along with two of the Shakespeare plays. (facsimile in modern script of the front cover page)
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Warwick L. Nixon
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<HTML>He did have her beheaded ..... Henry wouldn't have had anyone coming along afterwards and writing about how she was really innocent or a "nice girl" ...... IIRC didn't he marry the third wife the day Anne was beheaded? ...... There's a vauge memory of that ... its been awhile since I studied the Tudors although I always found them fascinating ....
But it
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>William Shakespeare, and many other were inspired by her life which makes it sometimes hard to separate facts from fiction.
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Yeah... ask Richard III</HTML>
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Katherine Reece
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<HTML>Since British Imperial units based on body proportions (inches, feet, yards, etc) were based on the body of the king (It was a Richard II or Richard III as far as recall but this is coming from memory) then why could the AE ones not simply have been standardised by a pharoah or the chief civil servant in charge of units?
Pete</HTML>
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Pete Clarke
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<HTML>~lol~
Fleas always remind me of one of my other "fascinations" ... but I'll mention that in a minute ....
I'm not sure how much you know about the southeastern US but being a very humid area we have quite a number of cockroaches, we've also been dealing with another insect that has recently also "invaded" Australia, the Fireant. I'd say ther
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Katherine Reece
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