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May 18, 2024, 12:19 pm UTC    
January 31, 2018 07:51PM
There bottom line remains, that although there is much mysterious about the Princes in the tower disappearing it is still most likely that Richard III did away with them, in 1483.

That said there are still questions, such as:

1), Why did the Princes just disappear? Traditionally when inconvenient Kings / pretenders died it was announced and some sort of cock and bull story put out. In this case the Princes just disappear into night and fog.

2), If Richard II's usurpation was so obviously bogus why was the actual reason supressed by Henry VII and instead a ridiculous, self evidently substituted by later chroniclers and writers.

3), There were all sorts of people who would have wanted the princes out of the way. Including Henry VII, and his mother, Who remained in England and whose husband's betrayal of Richard III at Bosworth Field gave Henry VII England. You could add to that certain of Richard's relatives etc. Henry's entire plan to take the crown depended on him marrying the Princes' eldest sister and that was sort of problematic if they were still alive. Could there have been some other involvement not just Richard III's?

4), The alleged confession of Tyrell to the murders recorded by Thomas More in his history of Richard III is utterly bogus. It is fatally undermined by the detail that More records that one of the Murderers was still alive and running around England After Tyrell made his alleged confession! Why so many historians have accepted this alleged confession has viable is rather disconcerting.

5), Despite the efforts of Richard III's modern day apologists it does seem clear that the P:rinces vanished in 1483 and were not in the tower or anywhere else in 1485 when Henry VII took the throne.

6), If Henry VII had in fact murdered the princes why would the boy's eldest sister agree to marry Henry?

7), Why did Henry VII not have a full scale investigation into what happened to the princes and clarify what happened to them? Especially since he, Henry VII, had so clearly benefited from their convenient deaths? Instead Henry let the whole thing remain mired in speculation and hearsay.

8), There remains the very slim possibility that the two princes were not in fact murdered in the Tower, or anywhere else. Not very likely in my opinion.

It is in my opinion an exceptionally murky affair.

My own opinion is that Richard after usurping the throne may have made noises to the effect that life would be easier for him if his nephews were gone. Someone decided to carryout the deed implied by the King. In the cold aftermath Richard III may have regretted the deed and therefore he sought to bury the whole matter. Hence the night and fog. I suspect that maybe some of Henry VII's relatives were involved in this in some fashion, and there fore once Henry VII came to the throne he had no desire to dredge the thing up. Especially since it might make him look bad or involved in the murder in some fashion. So Henry buried it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2018 08:01PM by Pacal.
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