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donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > That is the account of Chines travellers here > around 400 AD chronicled in the archives in > beijing and on Mayan stela. > There are accounts of Chinese travellers that are interpreted by some people to suggest travels to the Americas. Is the stela the one with your guy in the conical hatby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nothing here that effects my initial comment. Why should there be? I wasn't replying to you. I notice that you don't intend to read Seaver. I'd respectfully suggest that if you don't, you won't be equipped to discuss the Vinland map. Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Farley isn't exactly staple reading in the > mainstream. No degrees either. A good fiction writer but known to play loose with the truth, right? Read these in order: Also, in Peter Schledermann's Canadian Geographic article on Mowat's book, he wrote: "Mowat refers to sby DougWeller - Ancient History
AWSX Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DougWeller Wrote: > > She quotes one story from 'Ole Worm' which > she > > believes suggests English trade with > Greenland at > > least as late as 1480. > > Who or what is 'Ole Worm'? Apologies for the apostrophes they might have confused you.by DougWeller - Ancient History
Pacal Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You say: > Quote:But she's quite clear that nothing at the > moment can be said to be certain as to when the > last Norse left Greenland (or died there). > > Well in the Frozen Echo Prof. Seaver seems to have > been quite sure the colonies came to end c. 1500 > C.E., see pp. 306-307.by DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Now I like my interpetation as to why Indians but > yours makes a s much sense. Thanks. Not to be belittling him, but it isn't his, it's the standard interpretation. Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
Are you going to read Kirsten Seaver's book, Donald? Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And the Vinland map encompasses the region. > Trading or exploitation of the items you mention > is far different than being a singular outpost > used only the gather a raw material (wood). > > I have said the issue is still in question as to > long or short term. Unfortunately the map andby DougWeller - Ancient History
Pacal Wrote: > As for the Vinland map. I find very suspecious the > fact Greenland was shown as a island, and this > Greenland is more than a little close to actual > Greenland (including a Peary land). Well you should Greenland wasn't circumnavigated until the end of the 20th century. Greenland was at times thought of as possibly part of a northern European peninsuby DougWeller - Ancient History
Pacal Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In a previous thread mention was made concerning > the disapearance of the Greenland colonies see > Here: > > 3341, concerning its disapearance at the end of > the 15th and into the early 16th century. > > The problem is that this is likely incorrect. > > From modern evaluation of thby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: > The real issue here and why the original post > (Vinland map again). A long term settlement at > lanse meadows Which the archaeology shows did not happen. Why do you keep claiming that it could have? and other sites suggested by the > regional map (vinland) which may well be a fake. What sites does it suggest though? THe settlers theby DougWeller - Ancient History
AWSX Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doug, > Most of what I have read about the Viking > expansion has been Farley Mowat's "Westviking" and > the "Farfarers". Yikes! > > Most of Mowat's speculations were based on the > Sagas and Vatican records. He came to the > conclusion that there was some frby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Please see my post above to Doug. There is a > point of view that the sites were long term near > the time of Columbus. There could be a point of view that they are actually a Martian settlement. As they say, either put up or shut up -- who, specifically, besides yourself has this 'point of viewby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doug, > > I have heard both suppositions. That it was short > lived and that it was long term. > > Not a settled issue. I notice you can only tell us what you've heard while not providing any evidence. Please tell us what archaeological evidence there is for it being long term. I thiby DougWeller - Ancient History
John Wall Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm trying recall when the settlement on Greenland > finished ? iirc that was a century or two before > Columbus ? I don't think a colony in the New World > could have survived without Greenland as a "link" > back home. Certainly not until the 15th century and quite likely not unby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That is NOT my opinion. That is what I have read > in some places and what is said at the museum site > next to lanse meadows. Are you saying that the implication is what is said on the museum site? I agree that it is suggested that it is possible that Vinland could have been further south. Not of coby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In some posts in the past I mentioned that the > Tiano looked very Indian and NOT indians as we > know them. He met them first and was surprised. > He would have been especially surprised as he knew > Indians as traders and worldly people. He did not > meet that type of Indian. the best solutby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But he didn't call them skraelings or red men or > what. They weren't red, there's no reason for him to associate them with skraelings which if he knew about them knew them to be in the far north. > > He called them indians. Yep, he thought he'd reached the Indies. > >by DougWeller - Ancient History
Vinland Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > By the time the Norse reached the Americas they > were Norse explorers. Yes, they still knew very > well how to fight, but at this point they were > settlers and traders. True, and by the time they vanished from Greenland no one considers them Vikings. The Viking age ended in the mid-11th century. Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
On his first voyage Columbus suggested that one group of natives were probably subjects of the Great Khan. Everything he wrote until he died shows that he thought he'd reached Asia.by DougWeller - Ancient History
It appears that one theory was that Greenland was a northern extension of Europe. And Vinland may have been considered to be an island. Read Kirsten Seaver's book on the map. Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Excuse me. These are the Vikings we are talking > about. Too hazardous. Ask the English or the > Irish or the French. They were terrorized by > them. They turn into weaklings when they travel > west? No, we are not talking about the Vikings when we talk about what happened to the Norse thatby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh well I'm hooked. Another legend of > possibilities. Blonde men with gold and furs. > One would assume they got the gold from where they > were. More likely it was booty from other > travels. the furs are in abundance. Sounds like > a viking site to me. it is surpriseing there is &by DougWeller - Ancient History
Robin Lane Fox's involvement seems a good reason to see it. Todd McCarthy's comments are also encouraging to me. Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
donald raab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've visited lanse meadows and have seen the > broach. My point is that the article is STILL > questioning the Vikings arrival here. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't, I'd like to see the French. However, so what? It's a newspaper article. No archaeologist question is, and the fact thatby DougWeller - Ancient History
Computer clocks never keep time exactly. It may be the battery is a problem, but it's a good idea to get your PC to keep 'internet time'. Seeby DougWeller - Ancient History
Sadly you can't use it if you use Nod32, to my mind the best of the antivirus programs. The Google help site says: Unfortunately, there are also a few programs which are entirely incompatible with Desktop Search. These include: - NOD32 AntiVirus - mclsp.dll (McAfee Privacy Service) - Vetredir.dll (VET Antivirus) - aslsp.dll (from Aventail) - stplayer.dll - Mwtsp.dll (MicroWorld Escaby DougWeller - Ancient History
marduk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes those pesky scientists never factor in A'Tuin > when they do these calculations do they. You know > i heard a rumour the other day that the earth is > round. hahaha Everyone knows it's a disc! Dougby DougWeller - Ancient History
This is a site you have to register for, but they interviewed Ken Feder on this: This quote is worrying: "The professor often starts new classes with a survey, asking students about their take on certain aspects of history. Twenty years ago, about 30 percent of his students said that Atlantis existed. But by 2000, almost half of the surveyed students were believers."by DougWeller - Ancient History