>>No, we can't consider 10 as the largest number because they had signs for other numbers. They had no signs for infinity.<<
So did Hellenic numbering systems like Linear B but that didn’t stop Pythagoras from considering 10 symbolically and not from a strict mathematical sense as the largest number. This is based on the fact that when we use a decadic numbering system larger numbers are simply the same numbers multiplied by a certain power of 10.

>>Decans were probably, as was explained, a convenient way of dividing things since we have 10 fingers on our hands and so forth.<<
You obtain a decan by dividing a circle into 36 not 10 pieces. The fact that a decan is 10 degrees takes as a given that a degree angle division is used. But the Egyptians based the Solar Earth year on 360 days plus some extra days. This means that they were aware of the degree angular division.

>>They didn't use 360 degrees. That's a Babylonian development.<<
It doesn’t matter who discovered it first or to whom it was first passed down, see above.

>>Which, mathematically speaking, is dead wrong. Infinity plus anything is still infinity. See the "Hilbert hotel" concept.<<
It’s a Pythagorean philosophical notion expressed in mathematical form it is not a strict mathematical equation.

>>I don't know whose concept of gematria you're using, but the original comes from the Hebrews and was developed about 70 AD. Lamed is indeed the value of 30 in the gematria, but "10=30" is not correct.<<
In Hebrew it was called gematria from Hellenic geometria(geometry), and in Hellenic it is called isopsephia or lexarithmoi(word-numbers) or synarithmoi(number adding). The Hellenic code was used in ancient Hellas – Ionic numbering system(the Athenians originally used the acrophonic numbering system). Sorry for the mixup I was referring to the Hellenic system. But both systems are the same thing they are only based on a different alphabet. The word gematria has 8 letters and:

GEMATRIA = 460 = OKTO(eight) = 2 x 230(GP base in m)

>>280 units of what? Inches? Parsecs? Measurements that didn't come into existence until 2,000 years after Egypt collapsed? The sky was not measured in 360 degrees by the Egyptians... and it's not entirely clear to me that the hour divisions of the night (marked by rising star groups) were equally divided.<<
That’s the issue it makes no difference what the units are, I just pointed out that this shape agrees perfectly with Khufu pyramid’s slope – and the encoding of pi. But as I showed the ten number relates to the base length of the GP – in Egyptian not Hellenic but using a Hellenic gematria system. Today it is well established that the alphabet originated from Egypt, so this in no way strange. As I have pointed out the pyramids and other structures were planned by a very advanced civilization. They set out the same secret code shaping it accordingly to meet the needs of the local language and ways. Thus it is my belief that there originally was a Egyptian hieroglyphic gematria code. Phenicians and Hellenes were all given their own alphabet base on this code. It seems to some that the sky was not measured in 360 degrees by the Egyptians, but it was surely measured in 36 decans. But saying the above is like saying that since archeologists in the future will not find enough evidence that Europeans use the decimeter then this means they don’t use it and are not aware of it just because they usually use the centimeter and the meter.

>>(sigh) Just because YOU think it's more suitable doesn't mean that the people of 5,000 years ago thought it was more suitable.<<
It’s common sense. Philosophic ideas and physical measures are not necessarily anthropocentric. A rock or idea is not necessarily masculine or feminine. Maybe Egyptians did not evolve enough to understand this, but the fact is that the architects of the pyramids who were the entities that planned the alphabet code knew this.

>>You can derive what you like, but it makes no sense.<<
What do you mean, that it means nothing in Egyptian?

>>Again, "WHY"? Is your concept that the world secretly ran on numeric permutations of a language that developed some 60,000 years AFTER the first homo sapiens appeared (and some 4.5 million years after the first "human-looking" hominids appeared?<<
Language and writing are two different things. For example people speaking a different language – Etruscan used the Hellenic alphabet. This means we know what they were saying sounded like. But this doesn’t mean we know what it meant. But the fact is that if they wanted they could use the gematria code the same way. Thus using the same alphabet and a different language they could encode similar or the same information – or even different information – all depending on their language and the fine tuning performed by the priests or initiated – see Pythagoras reshaping alphabet letters – one can imagine why.. ge(o)matria literally. I have not figured everything out yet, to do this one needs all the historical – archeological data, etc, but I have figured out the general ancient code concept.

>>That wasn't the 12th letter in their alphabet.<<
Do you know the order?

>>No. As they developed the script they didn't stop to say "we're making this letter look like Uncle Hotep's cane." Nor did they write or know Hebrew or Greek.<<
We don’t really know who did it and under which circumstances so anything goes. It’s easier to reverse engineer than to dig up all the evidence archeologically.




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2010 12:32PM by Ogygos.