February 03, 2010 12:03PM
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Consensus science is irrelevant?
Sorry but that simply isn't the case. Given that the philosophical basis of science is that what we know is imperfect and is continually refined by new observations and new data then all science is by definition consensual in the sense that currently accepted theory is held as the most usefully available model of reality that we have.
While it is always inherent in science to challenge the consensus to suggest that the process whereby the academy accepts a paradigm is irrelevant to academic and scientific research is pushing the argument too far.
While I would argue that the decipherment of hieroglyphics is not a scientific process, even accepting it is for the sake of argument you are simply demanding an unattainable standard of evidence. Translation of any language is nuanced by the context in which it was written and the context within which the translator is operating. We will never know EXACTLY what was meant when the PTs were written - certainly in a spiritual and metaphorical sense but even in a concrete way - the exact meaning of individual glyphs will never be exactly pinned down. What we hope to get are continual refinement to our understanding of them.
However, to use this as a basis to say that because we can never be certain of the exact meaning of the texts that the consensus of the best interpretations of the best experts can simply be disregarded as evidence is unacceptable.
While I agree that argument from authority has no intrinsic value there IS a value to learning and expertise that should not be disregarded. While it's fine not to RELY on authority to support an argument you do have to have some reason for rejecting that authority - new observations or new data that show the consensus to be wrong.
I am not convinced that you have this.
Pete
God is our guide! from field, from wave, From plough, from anvil, and from loom; We come, our country's rights to save, And speak a tyrant faction's doom: We raise the watch-word liberty; We will, we will,we will be free!
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