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May 17, 2024, 4:34 pm UTC    
June 24, 2009 01:18PM
Hermione Wrote:
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> MJ Thomas 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>> > By blackening my name and my work in this fashion,
> > Anthony, you have effectively destroyed what
> > little credibility I ever had on this Forum, and
> > I'm afraid it's a situation I really can't
> > handle.
> > I hope you are well and truly satisfied with what
> > you have achieved.
>
> Oh, for goodness' sake, MJT: there's no need for
> this degree of melodrama.

You're quite right, Hermione.
I withdraw my rather silly emotive comments in their entirety.
I can’t help being a sensitive, irascible soul… winking smiley

> I suspect that, as you
> yourself indicated in previous posts, some of the
> confusion might have been caused by
> misunderstandings: in which case it might perhaps
> be worthwhile trying to pinpoint exactly where the
> misunderstandings arose.

Anthony contends that I have said in the past and continue to say that mathematics drove the designing of Khufu’s pyramid; he then argues that this idea cannot be so (but gives no reason why) and concludes that because my hypothesis is based on a false assumption (as he sees it) it is worthless.
What I may or may not have said or meant over the last four years or so with regard to various aspects of my hypothesis* is actually irrelevant; what is relevant now is what I am saying and meaning about them currently – after all, my hypothesis is not yet complete and is, therefore, still open to changes.

The following is from an earlier exchange of posts to this thread [see [www.hallofmaat.com] ]

I wrote, “Anthony, please provide links to any posts by Tim or me in which we assert that "maths were the goal, not the tool".
Thank you.”

Anthony replied, “Gladly:
Quote: [text by MJ]
“Each and every pyramid was planned by an architect/designer using some forms of arithmetic and geometry.
Therefore, it is perfectly possible for somebody somewhere to discover (given sufficient raw data and a knowledge of what is known about Egyptian mathematics and what can be extrapolated from it) what the intended plan was likely to have been.”

Anthony followed this with, “You are clearly saying that the mathematics drove the plan, thus the plan would be discoverable by analyzing the mathematics. There is virtually no other logical conclusion that can be drawn from your statement. I expect, however, that you will now present red herrings and strawman arguments that are designed to convince people otherwise.”

As you can see from his closing sentence, Anthony is in no way prepared to even consider that he may have misunderstood what I meant.
I find this lack of preparedness on his part rather telling.
Anyway, reading my statement again, and in the light of subsequent posts on the subject, I can now see the probable root of the misunderstanding that has driven this sub-thread.
I made a mistake in only writing “… what the intended plan was likely to have been.” because it does tend to imply that I was arguing “mathematics drove the plan”.

As this sub-thread progressed I made several attempts to explain to Anthony what I actually meant – i.e. that mathematics determined the dimensions of the Pyramid.
Unfortunately, Anthony (and perhaps others) interpreted this as “mathematics determined the design of the Pyramid”.
When it comes to the planning of the Pyramid I draw a clear distinction between its design and its dimensions.
As I see it, the overall design of the Pyramid’s passages and chambers and their features was down to the prevailing religious beliefs on the king’s Afterlife, etc., mixed with the king’s personal wants (until standardisation crept in), but the dimensions of each feature were down to the architect and his mathematics.
So, and putting it very broadly, religion and the ruling king determined the number, general shape, and overall layout of the Pyramid’s passages and chambers*, but mathematics determined their dimensions and precise locations.

Lastly, can I remind everybody that my ‘unconventional’ views on a fourth chamber, the post-funeral sealing of the Pyramid, the purposes of the Well Shaft and Grand Gallery, etc., are not an integral part of my hypothesis – they are speculations I plan to tag on the end.

A much calmed down MJ smiling smiley

*the changes to it over the years are slight
Subject Author Posted

9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 13, 2009 02:15PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 14, 2009 12:34PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 14, 2009 03:08PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Dave Lightbody June 15, 2009 11:13AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 19, 2009 12:05PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Sirfiroth June 19, 2009 01:51PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 19, 2009 03:12PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 20, 2009 09:24AM

9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

Pistol June 20, 2009 03:11PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

Pistol June 20, 2009 05:32PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

tim June 21, 2009 08:30AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Anthony June 20, 2009 07:07PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 21, 2009 06:43AM

Why occult mathematics don't matter

Anthony June 21, 2009 07:23AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Hermione June 21, 2009 08:11AM

The Nature of Achievement

Anthony June 21, 2009 08:39AM

Re: The Nature of Achievement

Rob Miller June 21, 2009 09:19AM

Re: The Nature of Achievement

Hermione June 21, 2009 09:36AM

Re: The Nature of Achievement

Pistol June 21, 2009 11:25AM

Re: The Nature of Achievement

Anthony June 21, 2009 06:39PM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 08:05AM

Strawman Argument

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:23PM

Re: Strawman Argument

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 02:13PM

RMP

Anthony June 22, 2009 03:19PM

Re: RMP

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 05:15PM

Devastating rebuttal

Anthony June 22, 2009 05:40PM

**Sub-thread closed**

Hermione June 23, 2009 02:56AM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 08:12AM

Happy to oblige

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:38PM

Re: Happy to oblige

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 02:45PM

The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

Anthony June 22, 2009 03:40PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 04:35PM

Understood...

Anthony June 22, 2009 04:50PM

Re: Understood...

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 05:27PM

Re: Understood...

cladking June 22, 2009 05:46PM

**Sub-thread closed**

Hermione June 23, 2009 02:55AM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

cladking June 22, 2009 05:44PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 06:11PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

Anthony June 22, 2009 08:31PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 06:03PM

Genesis of a Flawed Theory - The final words on the subject

Anthony June 22, 2009 06:29PM

Re: Genesis of a Flawed Theory - The final words on the subject

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 02:06AM

Planters Peanut Pyramid

Anthony June 23, 2009 01:00PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 02:13PM

A rose by any other name...

Anthony June 23, 2009 03:50PM

Re: A rose by any other name...

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 04:32PM

AE afterlife - an idealized world

Chris Tedder June 23, 2009 04:21PM

Re: AE afterlife - an idealized world

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 04:30AM

Re: AE afterlife - an idealized world

Chris Tedder June 27, 2009 03:51PM

Re: AE afterlife - an idealized world

MJ Thomas 2 June 28, 2009 04:38PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

Greg Reeder June 23, 2009 03:24PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

Anthony June 23, 2009 03:42PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

Greg Reeder June 23, 2009 04:34PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 05:58PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

Anthony June 23, 2009 06:18PM

Re: Pyramid & maths

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 10:53PM

Re: Pyramid & maths

Greg Reeder June 23, 2009 11:13PM

Re: Pyramid & maths - REDUX

Anthony June 24, 2009 07:15AM

More proof of Mr. Taylor's Claims

Anthony June 24, 2009 09:04AM

Re: More proof of Mr. Taylor's Claims

Hermione June 24, 2009 10:21AM

Mr. Thomas' circular argument

Anthony June 24, 2009 12:35PM

Re: Mr. Thomas' circular argument

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 03:37PM

More of Mr. Thomas' circular argument

Anthony June 25, 2009 06:56AM

Re: Pyramid & maths

Hermione June 24, 2009 06:47AM

Re: Pyramid & maths

Anthony June 24, 2009 07:28AM

Re: Pyramid & maths

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 08:59AM

Re: Pyramid & maths

Anthony June 24, 2009 09:15AM

Re: Fini

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 09:41AM

Re: Fini

Greg Reeder June 24, 2009 10:00AM

Re: Fini

Hermione June 24, 2009 10:31AM

Re: Fini

Hermione June 24, 2009 10:36AM

Re: Fini

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 01:18PM

Conversations between a King and his Vizier

Anthony June 24, 2009 01:44PM

Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

Greg Reeder June 24, 2009 02:00PM

Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

Anthony June 24, 2009 02:19PM

Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 04:29PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 25, 2009 04:32AM

Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 04:26PM

Egyptian Custom...

Anthony June 24, 2009 05:14PM

Re: Egyptian Custom...

Hermione June 25, 2009 04:55AM

Sorry, but no.

Anthony June 25, 2009 06:41AM

Sorry, but yes

Hermione June 25, 2009 08:49AM

Re: Sorry, but still no

Anthony June 25, 2009 10:31AM

One more point

Anthony June 25, 2009 10:59AM

Re: One more point

Pistol June 25, 2009 11:29AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 12:32PM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 12:56PM

Circles

Anthony June 25, 2009 03:23PM

Re: Circles

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 07:21PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 26, 2009 03:57AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 02:23PM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 02:53PM

On the charge of cherry picking

Anthony June 25, 2009 05:07PM

the Law and Cherry picking

Warwick L Nixon June 28, 2009 12:15PM

Re: One more point

Hermione June 25, 2009 03:02PM

Re: One more point

Anthony June 25, 2009 04:57PM

last point

Greg Reeder June 25, 2009 07:25PM

Re: last point

Anthony June 26, 2009 04:44AM

No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Anthony June 26, 2009 08:21AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Greg Reeder June 26, 2009 09:10AM

The Dangers of Inherent Assumptions

Anthony June 26, 2009 09:47AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 10:38AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Greg Reeder June 26, 2009 10:57AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 02:08PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Pistol June 26, 2009 11:40AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 01:58PM

That's almost interesting

Anthony June 26, 2009 02:30PM

Re: That's almost interesting

Hermione June 26, 2009 03:18PM

Re: That's almost interesting

Anthony June 26, 2009 03:44PM

Re: That's almost interesting

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 06:14PM

Re: That's almost interesting

Anthony June 26, 2009 07:47PM

Re: That's almost interesting

Greg Reeder June 26, 2009 11:03PM

22/7 - Almost enough to make you believe in Astrology!

Anthony June 27, 2009 08:06AM

Re: 22/7 - Almost enough to make you believe in Astrology!

Hermione June 27, 2009 08:40AM

Re: That's almost interesting

Hermione June 27, 2009 02:31AM

Re: That's almost interesting

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 04:37AM

Re: That's almost interesting

Anthony June 27, 2009 07:49AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Warwick L Nixon June 27, 2009 03:06PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 08:48PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Warwick L Nixon June 28, 2009 12:39AM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 28, 2009 03:55AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 07:59PM

Re: Sorry, but yes

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 11:13AM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Pistol June 25, 2009 11:33AM

Clarification

Anthony June 25, 2009 11:40AM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Hermione June 25, 2009 03:24PM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Anthony June 26, 2009 08:50AM

Re: Fini

Anthony June 24, 2009 01:00PM

Re: Pyramid & maths

tim June 24, 2009 08:34AM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 11:00PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 05:29PM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 08:35AM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:40PM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

tim June 26, 2009 08:55AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2009 09:33AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 21, 2009 08:45PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 27, 2009 02:50PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 08:34PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 28, 2009 12:30AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 28, 2009 06:50AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Greg Reeder June 28, 2009 10:36AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 28, 2009 10:46AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Pistol June 20, 2009 05:21PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 21, 2009 09:20AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Pistol June 21, 2009 03:34PM

"Older structure"?

Anthony June 21, 2009 07:34PM

Re: "Older structure"?

cladking June 21, 2009 08:28PM

Re: "Older structure"?

Pistol June 22, 2009 12:27AM

Yes, not one but two older structures.

Pistol June 22, 2009 12:06AM

**Moderation Note**

Tommi Huhtamaki June 22, 2009 01:37AM

Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:16PM

Re: Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Pistol June 22, 2009 01:40PM

Re: Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Hermione June 22, 2009 02:01PM

Request for clarification

Anthony June 22, 2009 02:03PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 22, 2009 02:13PM

Confirming G1 angle of 4/pi

Clive June 27, 2009 01:19AM



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