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May 17, 2024, 3:35 am UTC    
June 21, 2009 08:39AM
Hermione Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > The context one discovers when one studies
> beyond
> > one's calculator.
>
> Can you provide a bit more information, though,
> Anthony? 2 x 1 rectangles can be found in
> architectural contexts from time to time in
> various parts of the ANE ... but is the fact that
> it such a rectangle is also found in the GP simply
> coincidental? Or is there some particular
> religious/historical reason why 2 x 1 rectangles
> might have figured in the KC ... ??


There may be cultural reasons that relate directly to this particular ratio, but it is up to a theory's proponent to prove those relationships, rather than for people like myself to provide speculations, or even hypotheses, regarding those relationships.

However, until such a relationship is reasonably demonstrated, the fact remains that it may have just been a simple custom... a habit, not an encoded piece of occult geometry.




>
> People spend their time in many ways ... can we
> have no more comment on this, please: just
> discussion of the evidence.



When the evidence is provided, it will be my pleasure to discuss it. When baseless assertions are made, however, it is also my pleasure to expose them.



>
> No, it doesn't. If there is a pattern, why
> shouldn't that be evidence, too?

Because patterns exist in everything, Hermione. Finding a pattern is absolutely no indication of intent.

Kate Spence found a pattern between certain stars and certain pyramids. It was all well and good, but as usual, as soon as more data was inserted into the logic stream, it collapsed entirely. The problem lies in the use of speculations as foundations for theories. Evidence must be the foundation, not assumption.

The idea that these maths are the intention, and not just the symptom, is flawed in its entirety.


> We would
> immediately have to ask, of course, whether the AE
> actually intended to implement such a pattern, or
> was it just coincidence: an inevitable consequence
> of the fact that they were planning a
> pyramid-shaped construction?



There is a pyramid shaped structure, with a certain slope and interior volume. Within those confines, we have certain religion-driven parameters to which the builders had to adhere in order for the structure to function properly as a magical revivification device. All the mathematical coincidences we see are simply the result of people using a specific measurement system within a specific design parameter. They are artifacts of the system being used, and not the desired output of the project itself.





>
> AS:
> > Coincidence hunting is a
> > game for amateurs who don't know any better
> about
> > how things really work.
>
> But some coincidences might have been intentional

If it is proven to be intentional, then it is not a coincidence. One must start first with the proof, however, and not the coincidence.

We can find coincidences anywhere, Hermione. Chasing them is nothing but a waste of time, as it consumes that valuable time necessary for studying the culture and maybe uncovering what IS a meaningful relationship between the structure and the culture that built it.





> ...
>
> MJT:
> > > Tim has found a recurring mathematical
> > pattern
> > > (the application of 9/79ths or
> equivalent of
> > in
> > > unit fractions, etc.) in some of the
> > dimensions
> > > of Khufu’s pyramid.
>
> I have to say that I find it very hard to imagine
> quite why the AE would have thought in 79ths, of
> all fractions.
>



Perhaps Khufu was born on the 7th of September? Or maybe July 9th, here in the states?




> AS:
> > And I found Pi, Phi and the circumference of
> the
> > earth encoded in a bathroom stall at my old
> > office.
>
> Yes, but your old office wasn't built and planned
> by Khufu's architects, was it ....


Prove it wasn't built by the Freemasons, though, who have a long lineage back to Khufu's architects and geomancers. You can't prove it's not true, so the parallel stands even stronger!

God, that hurt.






>
> > Do you have a point to make that has any
> > more meaning than Potty Pi?
>
> I don't think MJT actually mentioned pi here,
> though, did he?
>


No, but I did. It is a mathematical ratio discovered in a set of selected dimensions from a structure that was completely unrelated to the ratio in the first place. It is no different than the 79ths thing Tim has found. Just because it's Pi doesn't mean it's special, or different, from any other coincidence that can be found.

Give me a few seconds and I'll find my birthday encoded in any structure you choose. It really is a fool's errand.





>
> AS:
> > So study all the pyramids. Studying one will
> give
> > you nothing but a collection of meaningless
> > coincidences that you have selected, not
> because
> > they were intended.
>
> Well, yes: except that the thinking and context
> behind each one presumably varied ... The GP
> tends to be everyone's favourite, because it's the
> biggest and most impressive.
>


I personally find it to be far less impressive than the Red. The Red broke the mold, finally. It was the original true pyramid in Egypt. Even the interior Grand Gallery of Khufu's pyramid is nothing but a copy of the interior of his father's satellite pyramid at the Bent. Khufu just threw more stones in ONE pile than did his father, who built THREE monster pyramids. Yet Sneferu and his viziers get almost no credit from the numerologists of the world. I'm personally happy the geomancers can't find the measurements they need to continue their occult coincidence hunting. It would take away from the real achievements put forth at the beginning of the Fourth Dynasty and focus attention on ethnocentric superimpositions that have no relevance at all to the culture that built these structures.

Personal preference question: Which is more impressive, a Boeing 767, or the Wright brother's flyer?

I opt for the tiny, delicate, single-passenger flyer. That was the real genius. Everything else that has come since then, no matter how big, how fast, or how sleek, is just "me too" thinking. Anybody can do something once somebody else has done it. The real achievement is in the initial discovery. That's what takes the guts. That's what takes the brains. That's what deserves the true honor (or honour, as the case may be).

Have a great Sunday.


Anthony

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.
Subject Author Posted

9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 13, 2009 02:15PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P. ~ without unit fractions...

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

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The Nature of Achievement

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Re: The Nature of Achievement

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Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

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Strawman Argument

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Re: Strawman Argument

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RMP

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Re: RMP

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Devastating rebuttal

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**Sub-thread closed**

Hermione June 23, 2009 02:56AM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 08:12AM

Happy to oblige

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Re: Happy to oblige

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 02:45PM

The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

Anthony June 22, 2009 03:40PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 04:35PM

Understood...

Anthony June 22, 2009 04:50PM

Re: Understood...

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 05:27PM

Re: Understood...

cladking June 22, 2009 05:46PM

**Sub-thread closed**

Hermione June 23, 2009 02:55AM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

cladking June 22, 2009 05:44PM

Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

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Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

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Re: The flawed "Maths and Maths Only" approach to pyramid studies

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Genesis of a Flawed Theory - The final words on the subject

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Re: AE afterlife - an idealized world

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Re: Pyramid & maths

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Mr. Thomas' circular argument

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Re: Mr. Thomas' circular argument

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Re: Pyramid & maths

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Re: Pyramid & maths

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Re: Pyramid & maths

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Re: Fini

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Re: Fini

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Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

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Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

MJ Thomas 2 June 24, 2009 04:29PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 25, 2009 04:32AM

Re: Conversations between a King and his Vizier

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Egyptian Custom...

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Re: Egyptian Custom...

Hermione June 25, 2009 04:55AM

Sorry, but no.

Anthony June 25, 2009 06:41AM

Sorry, but yes

Hermione June 25, 2009 08:49AM

Re: Sorry, but still no

Anthony June 25, 2009 10:31AM

One more point

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Re: One more point

Pistol June 25, 2009 11:29AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 12:32PM

Re: One more point

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Circles

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MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 07:21PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 26, 2009 03:57AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 02:23PM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 02:53PM

On the charge of cherry picking

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Re: One more point

Hermione June 25, 2009 03:02PM

Re: One more point

Anthony June 25, 2009 04:57PM

last point

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Re: last point

Anthony June 26, 2009 04:44AM

No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

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Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

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Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

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Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

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Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 02:08PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

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Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 26, 2009 01:58PM

That's almost interesting

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Re: That's almost interesting

Hermione June 26, 2009 03:18PM

Re: That's almost interesting

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Re: That's almost interesting

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Re: That's almost interesting

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Re: That's almost interesting

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Re: 22/7 - Almost enough to make you believe in Astrology!

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Re: That's almost interesting

Hermione June 27, 2009 02:31AM

Re: That's almost interesting

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 04:37AM

Re: That's almost interesting

Anthony June 27, 2009 07:49AM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Warwick L Nixon June 27, 2009 03:06PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 08:48PM

Re: No change of position, obviously. Greg, please read this.

Warwick L Nixon June 28, 2009 12:39AM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 28, 2009 03:55AM

Re: One more point

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 07:59PM

Re: Sorry, but yes

MJ Thomas 2 June 25, 2009 11:13AM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Pistol June 25, 2009 11:33AM

Clarification

Anthony June 25, 2009 11:40AM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Hermione June 25, 2009 03:24PM

Re: Sorry, but yes

Anthony June 26, 2009 08:50AM

Re: Fini

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Re: Pyramid & maths

tim June 24, 2009 08:34AM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 11:00PM

Re: Planters Peanut Pyramid

MJ Thomas 2 June 23, 2009 05:29PM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

MJ Thomas 2 June 22, 2009 08:35AM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:40PM

Re: Why occult mathematics don't matter

tim June 26, 2009 08:55AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2009 09:33AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 21, 2009 08:45PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 27, 2009 02:50PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 27, 2009 08:34PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Warwick L Nixon June 28, 2009 12:30AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 28, 2009 06:50AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Greg Reeder June 28, 2009 10:36AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

MJ Thomas 2 June 28, 2009 10:46AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Pistol June 20, 2009 05:21PM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

tim June 21, 2009 09:20AM

Re: 9/79 and the G.P.

Pistol June 21, 2009 03:34PM

"Older structure"?

Anthony June 21, 2009 07:34PM

Re: "Older structure"?

cladking June 21, 2009 08:28PM

Re: "Older structure"?

Pistol June 22, 2009 12:27AM

Yes, not one but two older structures.

Pistol June 22, 2009 12:06AM

**Moderation Note**

Tommi Huhtamaki June 22, 2009 01:37AM

Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Anthony June 22, 2009 01:16PM

Re: Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Pistol June 22, 2009 01:40PM

Re: Lessons in logical fallacies, and who said what when

Hermione June 22, 2009 02:01PM

Request for clarification

Anthony June 22, 2009 02:03PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 22, 2009 02:13PM

Confirming G1 angle of 4/pi

Clive June 27, 2009 01:19AM



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