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May 18, 2024, 7:52 am UTC    
February 10, 2020 05:32AM
I have made an error in the constellation map. If I look at the map so far, we have:

Story 2 - Ubainer and the Wax Crocodile
Wax Crocodile - Leo Minor
Large Crocodile - Hydra
Villager - Possibly Gemini

Story 3 - Sneferu and the Rowing Trip
The boat - Argo
The rowers - Crux
Fish Pendant - Piscis Austrinus (?)

Story 4 - Djedi
The bull - Meskhetiu or Ursa Major
The Lion - Leo
Djedi - Possibly Gemini or Cancer (?)
Thoth - the moon

Story 5 - the birth of Ruddjedet's Children
Reusre - Sah/ Orion (??)
Ruddjedet - Ophiuchus (??)
Khnum - ??

The Story 5 identifications are the most suspect. In correspondence with Belmonte about the possible identification of Reret to Ophiuchus and he has kindly replied. Based on his reply I don't think my identification to Ophiuchus is correct. Rather, per the paper he wrote with Lull, Belmonte confirmed both he and Lull still, now 10 years on see Reret as taking up a huge portion of the sky from Lyra to Bootes, including some of Draco and Serpens Caput could be part of the crocodile on her back.

The identification of Reusre to Sah/Orion is also suspect - this was based on the fact that User was a spelling of Osiris and Sah is a persona of Osiris. However, Assmann has an example of Re-Osiris as the resting place of Re in Osiris (ie the place where the sun sets) then Osiris rests in Re (as the sun rises in the East).

David Lorton translation of Jan Assmann, Death and Salvation in Ancient Egypt Translated from the German ), Cornell University Press, 2005, p188, p192

“Re sets in the western mountain
And lights the netherworld with his rays.
This means: Re rests in Osiris,
Osiris rests in Re, this means.

...
We must thus recognize this mummy as the form of the dead sun god, who does not become Osiris, like the other dead, but who “rests in Osiris,” that is, who unites with Osiris only temporarily and then once again separates himself from him. This form, which comprises the two gods, is called the “United Ba”:
United Ba Re-Osiris,
Great God who is at the head of the West in Abydos.”

A re-read of Quack's "The Planets in Ancient Egypt" also provides the possibility that Thoth is associated to Mercury,

"Mercury is depicted with the head of an ape, showing a connection with the god Thoth (the Egyptian equivalent of Hermes), who is typically associated with an ape."
"Mercury: the star of Thoth"


Making changes to the mapping opens up a later timeframe - possibly early December and for the first time enables an identification of Khnum to Capricornus per Table 6.1 in Lull and Belmonte.

Story 2 - Ubainer and the Wax Crocodile
Wax Crocodile - Leo Minor
Large Crocodile - Hydra
Villager - Possibly Gemini

Story 3 - Sneferu and the Rowing Trip
The boat - Argo
The rowers - Crux
Fish Pendant - Piscis Austrinus (?)

Story 4 - Djedi
The bull - Meskhetiu or Ursa Major
The Lion - Leo
Djedi - Possibly Gemini or Cancer (?)
Thoth - the moon or Mercury

Story 5 - the birth of Ruddjedet's Children
Reusre - constellation housing the sunset
Ruddjedet - per Lull and Belmonte for Reret - Large portion of sky from Bootes to Lyra, taking in a portion of Draco.
Khnum - Capricornus (which is the Goat in Lull and Belmonte Table 6.1)

I haven't had a chance to investigate specific dates yet but December 1, 2800 BCE at dawn provides an interesting perspective, fits in with the Sothic Cycle dates relatively well (+1 day). This timing fits better with Story 2 - where the villager is taken by the crocodile into the pool.
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