Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> you are implying that all the
> concordances I have presented to you that exist
> between the Orion’s Belt stars and the Gizamids
> are simply the result of an incredible series of
> remarkable happenchances.
I didn't see any concordances.
> There now exists too much evidence to continue to
> reject the Orion concordance with Giza.
I haven't seen any evidence that persuaded me ...
> from what I have found at Giza it is my
> considered opinion that you are missing a much
> more ancient subtext. The ARRANGEMENT of these
> structures MUST be considered in order to
> understand this.
In the continuing absence of any evidence of a sophisticated civilization belonging to a remote era that pre-dated the AE, the only obligation on any researcher engaged in a consideration of the Giza Plateau is to consider the monuments in that area in the light of existing evidence concerning intellectual and religious thought in the OK.
> Science is currently discovering
> evidence of a significant cosmic event that
> afflicted the Earth c.10,500BC. Physicist Dr
> Paul LaViolette has proposed that the core of our
> galaxy enters an 'explosive phase' around
> every 11,000 years.
>
> Hermione: A proposal which has not so far achieved
> wide acceptance by the scientific community ...
>
> SC: Perhaps not widely accepted at the moment but
> give it time. People resist new ideas –
> especially if that new idea has the potential to
> change everything we thought we understood.
... and even more so if there is no evidence to support it in the first place ...
> the ancient > > Designers
>
> Hermione: No evidence that there were any such
> people …
>
> SC: And yet we have to somehow explain the
> advanced precessional knowledge and mathematics at
> Giza.
No, we don't: because there isn't any. There is clear evidence of an acquaintance with mathematics, geometry and civil engineering of a level advanced enough to build monumental structures. But there is no evidence of advanced (or even basic) precessional knowledge ...
If we cannot attribute this to the AE then
> what alternative do you propose?
I don't have to propose an alternative, though, for the reasons just given ...
> …are presenting this VISUAL CLUE in the
>> > arrangement of the so-called "Queens
> Pyramids" at
> > Giza.
>
> Hermione: “Visual”? But, unless you’re floating in
> the air somewhere above the Giza Plateau (and how
> many ancient Egyptians, or their remote ancestors,
> do we know who did that?), you couldn’t see the
> arrangement formed by the positions of the various
> pyramids anyway … How would the supposed designers
> of the alleged layout of the Giza Plateau have
> known that future generations would (a) ever see
> this design,
>
> SC: But a future civilisation DID INDEED SEE it,
> Hermione. They saw it so well they actually were
> able to BUILD it to a quite monumental scale!!
No, Scott; this is a circular argument: drawing a conclusion on the basis of a preassumption. You suppose that there
was a very ancient civilization that designed the Giza Plateau, and argue from this supposition as if it were a foregone conclusion. It isn't.
We can see the Giza layout now, with pictures taken from the air and so forth. But how could the AE (or any hypothetical earlier civilization) have known that a future generation would have this capability? There is no evidence that the AE ever saw the Giza Plateau from above ...
Quote:Hermine: …and (b) (if they ever did succeed
> in seeing it) grasp its supposed significance?
>
> SC: Alas the AE did not grasp the full
> significance.
No, well, hardly surprising, really ...
They did, however, seem to have
> ‘remembered’ that Orion was somehow associated
> with the ‘continuation of life’ an ‘Afterlife’ or
> the ‘revivication of the soul’.
Well: in the identification of Orion with Osiris, and Orion's link with Sothis, the star that presides over the Nile flood that renews life ... (Hart 150-151).
SC: They present us with this 11,000 year
> 'pendulum swing'.
>
> Hermione: There’s a bit of a conceptual leap here,
> though, from the layout of a series of funerary
> monuments early in the historic era to a supposed
> warning (of a cyclical disaster speculatively
> connected with a theoretical cosmic event)
> presented by a supposed civilization that
> allegedly long pre-dated the AE …
>
> SC: It is speculation, Hermione. I have already
> said this. I do not know the precise reason why
> the ancient designers of Giza created this design.
This statement assumes, of course, that (a) the funerary monuments of Giza form a design that reflects a constellation, and (b) that there ever was a controlling mind behind such a design. Since neither (a) nor (b) can be satisfactorily proven, the existence of any motivation for (a) is immaterial ...
> However, I find it a remarkable coincidence that
> the SW alignment of the Menkaure ‘Queens’ c.
> 10,500BC agrees reasonable well with the dates
> science is now discovering that traumatic events
> occurred on Eartth. I ask myself the question –
> why then do the ancients ALSO show us the Belt
> Star alignment of c.2,500AD (Khufu’s ‘Queens’)? I
> will leave you to draw your own conclusion.
I've already drawn it, Scott ... believe me, I've already drawn it ...
SC: > Forewarned is forearmed.
>
> > Through Orion we can hope to achieve an
> > 'afterlife' - i.e. by understanding the
> 'message'
> > of the 'cycle of cataclysm' aligned with
> Orion's
> > pendulum swing, we have a chance to survive
> > whatever dire effects the cosmos may have in
> store
> > for us.
>
> Hermione: Do we? How? If this had been the case,
> couldn't we have expected a few representations of
> cataclysms at various points within the Giza
> complex? Why, anyway, would the ancient designers
> have cared about the fate of remote posterity?
>
> SC: I believe we have been told what to expect (or
> [perhaps what happened previously). We find this
> possibility in my theory concerning the so-called
> ‘air-shafts’.
Umm ... well, 'fraid you've lost me there ...
SC: The Pharaohs, at least, had a vague
> > memory of this association of Orion with the
>
> > 'continuation of life' and, of course, built
> the
> > pyramids to ensure their own Afetrlife in the
>
> > context of their own cultural and religious
> > understanding of this ancient codex
>
> Hermione: The legend of the codex is most likely a
> late invention implying divine authority for the
> architecture at Edfu …
>
> SC: And it might equally be what I have proposed.
Doubtful, in view of the very persuasive evidence for a late invention.
Quote:> Hermione: "Codex" is the term for a
> book (it
> > appears that "codex" is actually a Roman
> > invention).
> >
> > SC: Which only calls into question why Aldred
> used
> > the word "codex" in his The Egyptians.
>
> Hermione: Probably because the translator of the
> text thought that “codex” was the most appropriate
> and accurate term for the context in question.
>
> >SC: Perhaps “model" would have been a better
> choice of word??
>
> Hermione: A codex is not the same thing as a
> model. If the translator had thought that “model”
> was the most accurate rendering of the
> significance of the hieroglyphs in question, one
> might wonder why he did not use the word “model”.
>
> SC: We do not know if the AE had an equivalent
> word for what we understand today as “codex”. We
> simply do not know what, if anything, this would
> mean to the AE and I think we have already we have
> agreed that it needs further research of the
> original inscription.
Well, they didn't have codexes at all in the OK, though, did they ... A codex is a block of wood, which, by extension, also means book. The OK AE had papyri, and things like the Palermo Stone. In fact, if the supposed information on the alleged codex was so important, and if it really did suddenly fall from the skies at some time during the OK, why wasn't it engraved on something comparable with the Palermo Stone? Surely stone would have been more durable than a block of wood ...
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