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Hermione: My sincere apologies, Scott, if you felt that the paper confused the issue in any way. (Although, as I consider that there is no persuasive evidence whatsoever for either the OCT or the GOCT, the distinction would seem to be rather academic ... )
SC: Then you are implying that all the concordances I have presented to you that exist between the Orion’s Belt stars and the Gizamids are simply the result of an incredible series of remarkable happenchances. I categorically do not accept that it is reasonable to maintain that position. Furthermore, in my opinion your position is now quite untenable. There now exists too much evidence to continue to reject the Orion concordance with Giza.
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SC If a 'high civilisation'
> > once existed on Earth
>
> Hermione: No evidence of this ...
>
> SC: Then Giza is a paradox.
Hermione: No: merely a group of AE funerary monuments designed and constructed at different times in the OK.
SC:That is your considered opinion – that’s fine. However, from what I have found at Giza it is my considered opinion that you are missing a much more ancient subtext. The ARRANGEMENT of these structures MUST be considered in order to understand this.
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SC:...and wished to pass down such
> knowledge to future generations,
>
> Hermione: Why would they have wanted to?
>
SC: Speculation. Science is currently discovering
> evidence of a significant cosmic event that
> afflicted the Earth c.10,500BC. Physicist Dr Paul
> LaViolette has proposed that the core of our
> galaxy enters an 'explosive phase' around every
> 11,000 years.
Hermione: A proposal which has not so far achieved wide acceptance by the scientific community ...
SC: Perhaps not
widely accepted at the moment but give it time. People resist new ideas – especially if that new idea has the potential to change everything we thought we understood.
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>SC: The shockwave from this event
> could, in time, have dire consequences for the
> Earth with all manner of cosmic debris being
> blasted in our direction. Sometimes we are
> impacted with such cosmic debris, most often we
> are not. However, this 11,000 year cycle
> continues regardless - the potential for cataclysm
> every 11,000 years is always present. I speculate
> that the 'critical points' for the Earth concord
> with the maximum and minimum culmination of the
> Orion Belt stars and this is WHY
Hermione: Is it?
SC: I speculate – yes.
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SC: the ancient
> Designers
Hermione: No evidence that there were any such people …
SC: And yet we have to somehow explain the advanced precessional knowledge and mathematics at Giza. If we cannot attribute this to the AE then what alternative do you propose?
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SC: …are presenting this VISUAL CLUE in the
> arrangement of the so-called "Queens Pyramids" at
> Giza.
Hermione: “Visual”? But, unless you’re floating in the air somewhere above the Giza Plateau (and how many ancient Egyptians, or their remote ancestors, do we know who did that?), you couldn’t see the arrangement formed by the positions of the various pyramids anyway … How would the supposed designers of the alleged layout of the Giza Plateau have known that future generations would (a) ever see this design,
SC: But a future civilisation DID INDEED SEE it, Hermione. They saw it so well they actually were able to BUILD it to a quite monumental scale!!
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Hermione: …and (b) (if they ever did succeed in seeing it) grasp its supposed significance?
SC: Alas the AE did not grasp the full significance. They did, however, seem to have ‘remembered’ that Orion was somehow associated with the ‘continuation of life’ an ‘Afterlife’ or the ‘revivication of the soul’.
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Hermione: And “clue”? A clue is something that indicates the solution of a mystery. In order for this to take place, there has to be (a) a mystery, and (b) some indication in the first place of there being a mystery at all …
SC: Okay – ‘clue’ is perhaps not the best word to have used. A VISUAL
SIGN might be more apt. These VISUAL SIGNS (i.e. specific alignments of the Belt Stars) or ‘critical times’ arrive when the Orion Belt stars are horizontal near to the SW horizon (when Menakure is at 212* azimuth and again when the belt stars are arranged vertically and positioned on the eastern horizon.
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SC: They present us with this 11,000 year 'pendulum swing'.
Hermione: There’s a bit of a conceptual leap here, though, from the layout of a series of funerary monuments early in the historic era to a supposed warning (of a cyclical disaster speculatively connected with a theoretical cosmic event) presented by a supposed civilization that allegedly long pre-dated the AE …
SC: It is speculation, Hermione. I have already said this. I do not know the precise reason why the ancient designers of Giza created this design. However, I find it a remarkable coincidence that the SW alignment of the Menkaure ‘Queens’ c. 10,500BC agrees reasonable well with the dates science is now discovering that traumatic events occurred on Eartth. I ask myself the question – why then do the ancients ALSO show us the Belt Star alignment of c.2,500AD (Khufu’s ‘Queens’)? I will leave you to draw your own conclusion.
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SC: > Forewarned is forearmed.
> Through Orion we can hope to achieve an
> 'afterlife' - i.e. by understanding the 'message'
> of the 'cycle of cataclysm' aligned with Orion's
> pendulum swing, we have a chance to survive
> whatever dire effects the cosmos may have in store
> for us.
Hermione: Do we? How? If this had been the case, couldn't we have expected a few representations of cataclysms at various points within the Giza complex? Why, anyway, would the ancient designers have cared about the fate of remote posterity?
SC: I believe we have been told what to expect (or [perhaps what happened previously). We find this possibility in my theory concerning the so-called ‘air-shafts’.
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SC: The Pharaohs, at least, had a vague
> memory of this association of Orion with the
> 'continuation of life' and, of course, built the
> pyramids to ensure their own Afetrlife in the
> context of their own cultural and religious
> understanding of this ancient codex
Hermione: The legend of the codex is most likely a late invention implying divine authority for the architecture at Edfu …
SC: And it might equally be what I have proposed.
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> Hermione: "Codex" is the term for a book (it
> appears that "codex" is actually a Roman
> invention).
>
> SC: Which only calls into question why Aldred used
> the word "codex" in his The Egyptians.
Hermione: Probably because the translator of the text thought that “codex” was the most appropriate and accurate term for the context in question.
>SC: Perhaps “model" would have been a better choice of word??
Hermione: A codex is not the same thing as a model. If the translator had thought that “model” was the most accurate rendering of the significance of the hieroglyphs in question, one might wonder why he did not use the word “model”.
SC: We do not know if the AE had an equivalent word for what we understand today as “codex”. We simply do not know what, if anything, this would mean to the AE and I think we have already we have agreed that it needs further research of the original inscription.
Regards,
SC
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2008 01:43PM by creigs1707.