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Lee
December 21, 2007 02:37PM

Anthony,

Clearly not all Egyptologists share your certainty that no number symbolism is involved in the construction of the GP. “[T]here is no evidence whatsoever that the complex manoeuvres of its designers are intended to hold an overt religious symbolism. It is characteristic, however, of ancient Egyptian texts and images to use complexity in itself, as an expression of the ultimately unfathomable of harmonious order of the universe. Quite uncannily as well, a unique papyrus written centuries later specifically refers to Khufu’s horizon . . . in terms of numbers and transformation.” In Papyrus Westcar, Khufu sends for an old man “with knowledge of the number of some secret chambers that Khufu wants to replicate within his tomb. When Khufu asks him for that number, the wise old man replies, ‘By your favour, I know not the number thereof, my lord, but I know the pace where the number or the knowledge pf the number is.” Replete with pictograms signifying sealing and security, th4ese much debated lines seem to imply that King Khufu wishes his tomb to be designed in accordance with the ‘secret chambers’ of Thoth, a god of number and of numeration.” Romer, The Great pyramid at 354.

Here is the original passage Romer is discussing:

pA- ir=f Dd
iw=k rx.ti tnw nA-n-ipA.w.t n.t wn.t n.t DHwty
"Now what about what they say about you knowing the number (layout? plans?) of the secret chambers of the sanctuary of Thoth?"
Dd-in Ddi Hzi.ti n rx=i tnw ir.y
it.y anx.w wDA.w snb.w nb=i
"And Djedi said, "Please, Sovereign, live long and prosper, my Lord, I don't know
the number of them." OR

"Then Djedi said;"
"Please*, I don't know the appropriate number, Sovereign, to whom life, prosperity**, and health, my Lord."

iw=i sw.t rx=kw bw nty st jm

"I do however know the place in which it is."

I suggest a direct engagement with AE texts may yield results that are not always in accord with your perceptions of AE culture. Perhaps you know it less well than you think.

Lee
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