R: "These quotes illustrate superbly what I have been trying to get through. The determinative is not necessarily an illustration of the precise object or thing named, it is actually in most cases an indicatif of the category the object of thing belongs to and/or idea behind the expression. As I wrote in the other therad, now disappeared, the glyph for house was used as a determinative for most commoners' tombs, and yet, houses are not tombs. Now, here we have the determinative obviouly used for the pyramid, the whole conmplex, the whole necropolis, and even for just a tomb."


As I understand it, the determinative indicates the general idea of the word - in the case of a non royal tomb, O1 indicates 'house' / 'dwelling place' - specifically the tomb owners 'house' for eternity. In the case of a royal pyramid, O24 as the determinative in the name of the pyramid, indicates 'pyramid' - specifically in the case of an OK royal tomb - the king's 'house' for eternity with its distinctive pyramid form that sets it apart from commoners tombs.

O24 is used in the name of the kings pyramid, and the pyramid is a manifestation of the king.

Strictly speaking, originally the name of the pyramid was not the name of the cemeteries around the royal funerary complex - the cemeteries were the cemetries of Akhet Khufu - they were not Akhet Khufu. The royal cult complex is not Akhet Khufu, but the royal cult complex of Akhet Khufu.


Its possible that later in the NK, the whole Giza necropolis was thought to be the 'Akhet', and then 'Horus in the Akhet', the NK name for the Sphinx, was specifically Horus in the Akhet - in the necropolis - but this is all speculative.


R: "To add to this, the PTs claim that Osiris also is a pyramid."


Yes, the king's pyramid - according to the PTs, the pyramid form itself was a manifestation of the dead king as Osiris.


R: "What do commoners' tombs from MK (this is importnat and gives a direct clue), pyramids, pyramid complexes and Osiris have in common?"

This sounds interesting, but its late - I give up - but wait, I just read your reply to Greg - the 'place of resurrection'.

I think I see what you are getting at, but I need to ponder this a bit more.



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