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May 8, 2024, 9:14 pm UTC    
August 23, 2007 11:23AM
Several of the posts on this thread have expressed the opinion that there is no evidence of any basis other than sekeds in the dimensions of the pyramids. I believe that the presence of the golden section in many of the dimensions of the great pyramid is evidence of the intentional incorporation of phi as a basis for the dimensions of the pyramids.

I believe the presence of the phi proportion in the overall dimensions of the pyramid (slant height divided by half base) is evidence of intention. I also believe that the statement by Herodotus supports this conclusion. He said the side was 8 plethra and the height was the same. The plethra was a meaure of length of 100 greek feet and also a measure of area of an acre of 100 x 100 greek feet. The area of each of the sides of the pyramid is equal to the half base times the slant height (220 x 356 = 78320 square cubits) The area of the height squared is 280 x 280 = 78400 square cubits. This is a near equality that is within the margins of error of our measurements of the sidelengths and the height of the pyramid. On the other hand, the side length is nowhere near the same has the linear height of the pyramid. This is why I think it is clear that Herodotus was refering to square measures of plethra in his description and this is why I think it is wrong to insist that Herodotus was referring to linear measures and he was just way off, when his statement that the sides and the height are equal is correct. using the area measure definition for plethra. The half base (or short side of a right triangle) times the slant height (or hypotenuse of a right triangle) being equal to the height (long side of a right triangle) squared, is the classic definition of the unique phi triangle known today as the Kepler triangle because of his description, which is the same as Herodotus description of the great pyramid.

Despite this, it has been argued that the phi proportion in the diemensions of the pyramid is no evidence of it's intentional use because the phi proportion could just be an artifact of a 14/11 or 5.5 seked slope.

I also believe that the presence of the phi proportion in the king's chamber is evidence of intention. The height of the king's chamber from the top of the flooring blocks to the ceiling is 11.18 cubits. This precise measure is apparent when the height is calculated based on the height of the five courses of the walls of the chamber, which are 16 palms, or 64 fingers each, minus the 1/4 cubit height of the flooring blocks above the base of the first course of the walls. The height of the five courses of the walls and the height of the flooring blocks above the base of the first course is clearly and preciesly established by the survey data. The unusual height of 11.18 cubits, is an exact expression of the phi factor of the square root of five times five.

Despite this, it has been argued that since the floor is a 20 x 10 rectangle, the diagonal length is equal to the square root of five times ten, so the height of the chamber may just be an artifact of the builders setting the height at one half of the diagonal of the floor for no reason having to do with the phi function of both measures. I might add that if this explanation is correct, it is at least evidence of an awareness of the diagonal of right triangles, which has also been denied by some.

However, having thought about it and having read all of the 150 plus posts on this thread, I know of no alternative explanation for why the descending passage would have been placed in such a way as to be divided into a golden section by ground level, other than the obvious explanation that it was intended. To achieve this result, the slope of the passage, and it's length, and the height of the entrance above ground level all had to be precisely coordinated. I understand that the slope of 2/1 can serve as it's own explanation (fractional seked 3.5). I also understand that the approximate length of 200 cubits for the passage has been suggested as an explanation for the length (if so, then the length of the passage, and thus the size of the pyramid, was not arbitrary or altered, but planned from the start). But the height of ground level above the ceiling at the end of the passage of just over 55 cubits, and the height of the entrance above ground level of just over 34 cubits, when 34 and 55 are the first numbers in the fibonacci series giving a really accurate expression of phi, can not be explained away as an artifact of any other intention that I know of in the height of ground level above the ceiling of the end of the passage and the height of the entrance above ground level.

I believe that the presence of all of these phi proportions are cumulative evidence of the intetional use of phi in the dimensions of the pyramids.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2007 11:26AM by Jim Alison.
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Descending passage - above and below

Jim Alison August 19, 2007 02:30AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Chris Tedder August 19, 2007 05:01AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

L Cooper August 19, 2007 06:56AM

A or B

Anthony August 19, 2007 06:47AM

Re: A or B

Jeff van Hout August 19, 2007 08:23AM

Re: A or B

Hermione August 19, 2007 08:57AM

Re: A or B

Anthony August 19, 2007 10:58AM

sqd

Chris Tedder August 19, 2007 11:10AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 19, 2007 11:31AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 19, 2007 01:32PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 20, 2007 05:52AM

Re: sqd

Jim Alison August 19, 2007 02:48PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 20, 2007 06:00AM

Re: sqd

Jammer August 22, 2007 01:58PM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 20, 2007 09:43AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 20, 2007 10:27AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 20, 2007 10:59AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 20, 2007 11:53AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 20, 2007 12:30PM

Re: sqd

Anthony August 20, 2007 12:44PM

Re: sqd

fmetrol August 20, 2007 01:23PM

Re: sqd

Anthony August 20, 2007 01:30PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 20, 2007 01:48PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 20, 2007 02:38PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 08:32AM

More than that...

Anthony August 21, 2007 10:13AM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 11:24AM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 21, 2007 11:46AM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 01:01PM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 21, 2007 01:30PM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 03:41PM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 22, 2007 03:04AM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 22, 2007 03:52AM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 22, 2007 06:24AM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 22, 2007 06:36AM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 22, 2007 07:26AM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 22, 2007 08:08AM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 22, 2007 09:20AM

Re: More than that...

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 08:05AM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 22, 2007 02:45PM

Re: More than that...

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 03:34PM

Re: More than that...

Hermione August 23, 2007 12:21PM

Re: More than that...

Chris Tedder August 21, 2007 01:16PM

Sqds and Train Tracks

Anthony August 21, 2007 03:22PM

Re: Sqds and Train Tracks

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 03:43PM

Ipuwer

Anthony August 21, 2007 04:42PM

Re: Ipuwer

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 05:14PM

Re: Ipuwer

Anthony August 21, 2007 05:19PM

Re: Ipuwer

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 05:34PM

Re: More than that...

Anthony August 21, 2007 02:34PM

Re: More than that...

Ritva Kurittu August 21, 2007 03:53PM

Re: More than that...

Anthony August 21, 2007 04:56PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 21, 2007 11:12AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 01:32PM

Re: sqd

fmetrol August 21, 2007 03:22PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 03:01AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 21, 2007 03:51PM

Re: sqd

MJ Thomas August 21, 2007 04:57PM

Re: sqd

Jim Alison August 21, 2007 05:15PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 03:20AM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 22, 2007 06:13AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 06:58AM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 22, 2007 09:54AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 02:46PM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 22, 2007 07:39PM

Re: sqd

Jammer August 22, 2007 02:09PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 23, 2007 12:37PM

Re: sqd

fmetrol August 20, 2007 02:48PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 08:38AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 12:31PM

Patterns in the errors

Anthony August 21, 2007 10:40AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

fmetrol August 21, 2007 11:37AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 01:59PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

fmetrol August 21, 2007 03:05PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 04:18PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

MJ Thomas August 21, 2007 04:33PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 04:41PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

MJ Thomas August 22, 2007 01:58AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Warwick L Nixon August 22, 2007 08:24PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

fmetrol August 21, 2007 04:47PM

"Look a trap! I think I'l just stick my foot in it!"

Anthony August 21, 2007 04:55PM

Re: "Look a trap! I think I'l just stick my foot in it!"

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 05:13PM

Re: "Look a trap! I think I'l just stick my foot in it!"

Anthony August 21, 2007 06:55PM

Re: "Look a trap! I think I'l just stick my foot in it!"

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 07:14PM

Re: "Look a trap! I think I'l just stick my foot in it!"

Principia August 21, 2007 08:26PM

Argument by "Cuz I say so!"

Anthony August 22, 2007 08:57AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Warwick L Nixon August 21, 2007 05:04PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Anthony August 21, 2007 02:32PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

fmetrol August 21, 2007 02:56PM

LOL

Anthony August 21, 2007 04:47PM

Re: LOL

fmetrol August 21, 2007 05:05PM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Doug M August 24, 2007 05:20AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

fmetrol August 24, 2007 06:05AM

Re: Patterns in the errors

Anthony August 24, 2007 08:25AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 21, 2007 02:06AM

Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Anthony August 21, 2007 10:45AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Kanga August 21, 2007 08:50PM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 12:30AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Hermione August 22, 2007 03:23AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Kanga August 22, 2007 05:57AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Hermione August 22, 2007 07:07AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Kanga August 22, 2007 10:03AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Hermione August 22, 2007 02:48PM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 03:18PM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 06:49AM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Hermione August 22, 2007 02:42PM

Re: Rise over run, but not a Sqd?

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 05:35PM

The proof is irrefutable

Anthony August 22, 2007 05:58PM

What 'proof'

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 06:47PM

Re: What 'proof'

Anthony August 22, 2007 07:14PM

Calculations, selections... and semantics

Anthony August 22, 2007 08:31AM

Re: Calculations, selections... and semantics

Jim Alison August 22, 2007 09:29AM

Re: Calculations, selections... and semantics

Anthony August 22, 2007 09:46AM

Re: Calculations, selections... and semantics

Jim Alison August 22, 2007 02:15PM

Carts and horses

Anthony August 22, 2007 02:25PM

Re: sqd

Chris August 20, 2007 01:36PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 20, 2007 03:25PM

Re: sqd

C Wayne Taylor August 20, 2007 06:50PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 21, 2007 02:11AM

Re: sqd

C Wayne Taylor August 22, 2007 09:10AM

Confusing Cause and Effect

Anthony August 22, 2007 09:23AM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 11:33AM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

Anthony August 22, 2007 11:58AM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 12:04PM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

Anthony August 22, 2007 02:21PM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 04:04PM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

Anthony August 22, 2007 04:53PM

Re: Confusing Cause and Effect

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 08:30PM

Arguments vis a vis Reality

Anthony August 23, 2007 07:47AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

MJ Thomas August 23, 2007 09:41AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

Anthony August 23, 2007 09:57AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

lobo-hotei August 23, 2007 10:38AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

lobo-hotei August 23, 2007 10:17AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

MJ Thomas August 23, 2007 06:33PM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

lobo-hotei August 24, 2007 10:58AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

Jammer August 23, 2007 10:49AM

Re: Arguments vis a vis Reality

lobo-hotei August 23, 2007 10:07AM

Re: sqd

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 11:22AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 11:27AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 02:51PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 03:07PM

Re: sqd

MJ Thomas August 22, 2007 04:01PM

Re: sqd

lobo-hotei August 22, 2007 04:11PM

Re: sqd

MJ Thomas August 23, 2007 09:51AM

Re: sqd

Jammer August 23, 2007 11:03AM

Re: sqd

lobo-hotei August 23, 2007 11:16AM

Re: sqd

Jammer August 23, 2007 12:33PM

Re: sqd

lobo-hotei August 23, 2007 11:04AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 23, 2007 12:47PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 23, 2007 04:44PM

Goodness gracious

Anthony August 23, 2007 05:07PM

Re: Goodness gracious

Hermione August 24, 2007 05:33AM

Re: Goodness gracious

Anthony August 24, 2007 06:11AM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 23, 2007 05:48PM

Re: sqd

Anthony August 23, 2007 06:35PM

Re: sqd

Chris Tedder August 23, 2007 06:58PM

Re: sqd

fmetrol August 23, 2007 10:20PM

Re: sqd

fmetrol August 24, 2007 06:07AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 08:51AM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 21, 2007 10:29AM

Re: sqd

Anthony August 21, 2007 10:51AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 21, 2007 11:07AM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 21, 2007 08:53PM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 03:25AM

Re: sqd

Kanga August 22, 2007 06:04AM

Re: sqd

Hermione August 22, 2007 07:09AM

can we reach a consensus?

Chris Tedder August 22, 2007 12:40PM

Re: can we reach a consensus?

Kanga August 22, 2007 11:16PM

Re: A or B

fmetrol August 19, 2007 01:52PM

Re: A or B

fmetrol August 19, 2007 12:38PM

Re: A or B

Chris Tedder August 19, 2007 03:17PM

Re: A or B

fmetrol August 19, 2007 03:40PM

Re: A or B

Chris Tedder August 19, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Jim Alison August 21, 2007 06:56PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Lee August 23, 2007 10:30AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Ritva Kurittu August 23, 2007 11:53AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Chris Tedder August 23, 2007 11:53AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Ritva Kurittu August 23, 2007 11:59AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Tommi Huhtamaki August 23, 2007 12:11PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Anthony August 24, 2007 01:30PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Tommi Huhtamaki August 24, 2007 01:45PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Lee August 24, 2007 02:01PM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Jim Alison August 23, 2007 11:23AM

Re: Descending passage - above and below

Jim Alison August 23, 2007 12:00PM



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