> > You must be joking! Biology is nothing more than
> > the study of carbon chemistry and complex carbon forms...
>
> Rofl, that's the funniest thing that you've written yet. Biology is more than just a
> study of carbon chemistry and complex carbon forms. The word itself means the study
> of life.

Sorry, I think that you mean "carbon" life forms...This makes it very obvious now that you are inside of a box...lol

> > Only on the level of complexity and the various
> > energy layers of integration...
>
> Plants and animals are just as complex as we are...unless you are referring to
> unicellular organisms?

Only inside your bio box!!!

> > Sorry, but biology is pretty much irrelevant, it
> > just shows the effects and not the causes...
>
> No it isn't. Genetics and evolution, iirc, is 100 level bio.

Look, I am not going to debate you that! If you enjoy it be my guest, the problem however is when your group then tries to force your believes into the rest of us in the name of "science"! That 'puritan' approach will not work with me since I can read in between the lines...

Your evolution theories are nothing more than just another religion...

> > I don't necessarily want to 'minimize' your area
> > of expertize, but enough is enough!!!
>
> You can minimize all you want. That is your choice. You can either take what information
> and advice is being offered to you for good use or you can completely discard it.

I don't ignore, deny, dismiss or discard any information or data, I simply process it different than you obviously do...

> However, I think that a majority of people would beg to differ as to what role biology
> plays in reproduction and evolution...

It plays no role at all, no role whatsoever...

Reproduction will still go on with or without biology just like it has been going on for billions of years...and will continue to go on...

> > Of course, it is a networking system! That is exactly my point...
>
> It is a networking system to a point. Some bacteria work with us...others don't.

Of course, there are viruses and bad programs on any networking system...

> > I could also say, what this planet is today is the
> > product of energy transfers thoughout eternity.
> > That, of course, is bigger than billions of years
> > and still says nothing much...
>
> Do these energy transfer pre-date the development of the solar system?

Of course, eternity is by definition outside your time-space scales...

> > Change is change based on action-reaction in real
> > time. It is not being 'accumulated' in the sense
> > of pile up or collect!!!
>
> Yes, it is "accumulated change". Do you realize that every bit of genetic code has
> been accumulated throughout millenia from your ancestors? This is precisely why some
> families have problems with genetic ailments.

Obviously we are in different Universes! Code is not accumulated! It is programmed!!!

Maybe you should try to study the basic concepts of "code" instead of some of the nonsense that comes out from your bio box! Do you realize that code any code is soft?

> > Because they don't truly reflect the cycles of
> > Nature and use laws of average that flatten out
> > the results in a false manner (make them linear)...
>
> Contrary to what you may believe, there is alot of acknowledgement of cycles existing
> in life today, ie the carbon cycle and kreb cycle. There is just as much study of
> mutations than there is of your "averages".

Look, this has nothing to do with believes but rather with true reality...

If you acknowledge that cycles exist that is a very good thing because all reality is encoded in these cycles and programmed via action/reaction...

Averages have little value when outside the linear limits of any scale...Every good engineer knows that an engine, any engine is only linear within some given limits...

> > Note that I didn't say that "science" in general
> > is made up of stories and tales! My comments were
> > very specific towards "evolution" and only
> > towards evolution and that also includes my
> > comments regarding "all that I know"...
>
> So, your basic problem with evolution is that it doesn't run in circles?

Hello, evolution is indeed cyclical...Therefore, it does run in cycles...

> Yet a bacteria can dramatically change its shape and function in an observable amount
> of time so that it almost becomes something different. Look at the diseases that are
> potentially pandemic. Scientists are watching them to see if they evolve into a form
> that can jump to humans...That's a pretty substantial change.

Well, at this rate these scientists are ultimately going to actually cause the pandemic...

That is what always happens when one plays with something without truly knowing how it fully works...

The fact that bacteria is chnaging shape and function is primarily due to action-reaction.. You simply cannot stop that since this is one of the most fundamental laws of Nature...

Do you really think that you could control the bacteria from mutating!? That is truly bizarre!!!

> > Come on, please note that I was joking on that one...
>
> Hard to tell if somebody is joking in text, especially when they say that they don't
> want to "pollute" their mind with science.

Come on, I put a on it...

..and, again, please stop "twisting" my words, I am probably more of a scientist than you will ever be and that is why I have been looking at this from outside the bio box! I am applying knowledge from other important fields such as wave and information theory, among others...

> > So, they are trying to stop mutations!? That is
> > bizarre at best!!!
>
> In a sense, yes. Inbreeding has historically caused profound problems with both animals
> and humans.

WOW! good luck!!! LOL

> > Species will continue to be wiped out just like
> > always. You cannot stop this natural reality...
>
> Yes, species will die out. That is a fact. However, the conditions of why species are
> dying out today are substantially different from the causes of prior extinctions. This
> time, we're destroying ecosystems. That's not exactly "natural".

WOW! Truly amazing to me to hear that you really think that things are different today!!!
I will bet you one billion dollars that our anscestors felt exactly the same way during their time... lol

> > Why the concern!? That is what has been happening
> > for billions of years, so why would it be any
> > different today!!!???
>
> There are natural causes to things and then there are unnatural causes. Chopping down
> forest and polluting the air with aerosolized chemicals is not exactly natural causes.

So to you human being are "un-batural"!?

> Look at it this way. If you took raw chicken and cut it up on your kitchen counter, would
> you eat off that same uncleaned section of the counter? We can do all sorts of things
> but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't mind the planet where we live. If we wreck it up
> by polluting our waters, cutting down our forests that provide us with oxygen and so on,
> then we're in big trouble.

I never suggested that humans should be out of balance with the environment, but that is what degeneration of civilizations do. That is also probably why they will never last and also why all prior civilizations have become extinct. Eventually mother Earth will clean and re-cycles it-self...

That is exactly what most if not all the Historical evidence shows. Are you in denial of all of this evidence?

> I am referring to all sciences that apply to life...which doesn't include computer
> sciences.

Again, I think that you mean carbon life forms...

Either case, please stay in your bio box and ignore everything else around it!!!

> > No way! I am very opne minded towards carbon
> > chemistry and carbon based life forms, but that is
> > certainly not where I 'limit' my own reality
> > references... lol
>
> You are the one setting limits on your education, not I.

Not really, but if getting brain washed by your bio theories is a limit on my education, so be it...I like and accept that limit...

> > As I see it from outside your
> > box, linear evolution is basically wrong, but, of
> > course, you can continue to "believe" in it...
>
> If there is such evidence, please provide references.

For crying out loud, the evidence is all around you! You are just denying the cyclical aspects of evolution...and still prefer to see it as a linear 'average' activity or process over time!!!

> > Education pollutes the mind when it teaches kids
> > wrong and silly close minded evolution theories...
>
> Education isn't necessarily about jamming a child's head full of facts. It's also about
> getting them to think for themselves...

Well, I agree with you on that...

> > Of course, that is also why I am a very big fan of
> > "intelligence" designs...
>
> There is a bit of difference between a human being creating a shelter and an intelligent
> designer constructing an entire planet down to the very last tiny detail.

Really!

Are you really sure of that...

So, in your mind, you really think that humans are the only "intelligent" beings in the Universe(s)...

Somehow you just don't see any evidence of any other intelligence and the world/Universe just 'randomly' came to be what it is...

Talk about bind blind and in a box!!! LOL

> > The man with the intelligence that can "design"
> > and built the shelter has an higher probability of survival...
>
> Yes, a man can design a shelter but he cannot design his offspring. At least not yet...
> I'm sure genetics will probably make it so that we can pre-plan our babies someday.

To a certain he/she can by consciously or sub-consciously selecting the proper mate...

> > Well, then the human race will stop from
> > existing...One cannot sustain artificial life for
> > too long, specially in times of great Earth changes...
>
> Artifical life? Are you saying that human beings are artificial life forms? Asking
> for a clarification here.

Not exactly. I see humans also as a product of Nature...

I meant to say sustaining life artificially...

..but the topic of artificial life in today's virtual reality environments is a fascinating topic, at least to me...

> > Sneakiness is definitely a degenerated form of
> > intelligence and that is a fact...
>
> What do you consider "sneakiness"?

Being devious, etc...

> > There is plenty of evidence of this throughout
> > History, look at all the priest and higher classes
> > or the "protected" ones...
>
> "Protected" ones? Name a few groups that did this.

You should ask others about this, but the way that I see it, throughout all History, at least the royalty and the priest classes has always been protected, among others...Is this really a new concept to you?

> > WOW!!! I am truly amazed that you still cannot see
> > how the higher classes have protected themselves
> > throughout the years...
>
> Well, this is truly amazing. You are presuming that the higher classes have protected
> themselves throughout the years. By what? Keeping marriages in the family?

WOW! I remain truly amazed by your lack of awareness here!!!

The higher classes protect themselves in many different ways. Let me use a very basic example for you here based on today's socio-economic debt based system. The higher classes make you "believe" that fiat money (which is made from paper with numbers and colors on it and based on no asset at all besides debt!) is really valuable...

..and yet you seem to be more pre-occupied with religions, etc!!! Truly bizarre indeed...

> > Strength IS good health. It truly reflects
> > balance in the body, mind and Soul...
>
> You have your own definition of what "strength" is, obviously.

I have my definition for everything, I make all the rules...I am the master of my Universe...

> > Usually when someone is out of balance he/she will get sick...
>
> Or they just happened to inherit a genetic disease...

True, degeneration (recessive genes) is something that all carbon life forms have to carry with them. It is not very pure life form, is it...

Thank God for those dominant genes...

and the force...

+wirelessguru1