January 18, 2007 12:31PM
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Anthony,
<< The image you provide for the pyramid determinitive in "place of worship"... isn't that 19th Dynasty? (AKA, New Egyptian Grammar)?>>
Yes, although grammar has nothing to do with the case, the usage is clearly later, as is the usage of the pyramid determinative in mn-nfr, the name for Memphis, which is attested from Dynasty 18 on, although it was most likely in use earlier.
<<Is there a problem using such a late definition?>> It simply shows the pyramid determinative was not used exclusively for tombs, thus its use as a determinative for tomb does not preclude the possibility that pyramids had other, funererary, functions. The most common word for tomb – according to WB – is not “ja,” by the way, but “jz,” which is written with the 01 (house) determinative. This is attested from the tomb comples of Meresankh III (4th Dynasty). This is yet another example of determinatives having multiple meanings/funnctions. I note with interest that the exact same word
at the same period can mean a room in a workplace. For jz, tomb, see WB I, 127.18-24; as room WB 1, 127.2-6
<<Can you also tell me to what this particular inscription is referring? Are we talking about a temple outside a tomb?>>
Unfortunately I cannot tell you for certain which examples given as “place of worship” are associated with which determinative. The Belegstellen in WB (unless there is an original card showing the glyphs themselves) are set out in Manual de Codage transcriptions that do not indicate the Gardiner signs per se. In this case, the Belegstellen and card references cannot be matched up, as some of the Belegstellen were added after the orginal cards were made.
Lee
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