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May 26, 2024, 4:05 pm UTC    
October 29, 2006 10:54PM
Yeah, Lorenzo was something, and very much like the fellow in Indonesia, and I suspect the guy who rules Giza. Fiefdoms. There wasn't too much to be said for the gringo part in all this. I think one of the things that led Lorenzo to cry hoax and planted artifacts in 1967 was the fact that Harvard made the C14 announcements without going through INAH like they were supposed to; that is, if the contracts are the same as they were then. That was the agreement we had with INAH in 2001. Three days after the announcement which he learns about in newspapers, that's when he happens to find planted artifacts in his own trenches, so he says. The guy was manic. He destroyed at least two feature blocks that had been removed to the lab, in situ lithics and bones. Perfect context.

I am scrambling trying to get the ms to the publishers by early January so I can't blurb on that much. It is a long story, lots of texture. Back in 1997, George Carter asks his friend, Marshall Payn, to look into Valsequillo. CIWs archives are in Portales, and Stanford is going to pick them up and take them to the Archives. Stanford gave Payn permission and access to them and to be able to use them for a film, maybe a book. Virginia went down there and copied just about everything. But there was a lot missing, like over two thousand photos, her field notes, what else? But there was more than enough to put a narrative together. Lots of good letters. Rich stuff. Plus there was Virginia, Hal, Chuck Naeser, Barney Szabo, and others to talk to, who still had their records and maps.

Bottom line: it was as perfect an archaeology you would ever hope to find. Forget redeposition. These are primary deposits, sand and silts, and few gravels. Artifacts retrieved were still sharp, with a couple exceptions. And there was art in Armenta's collections. Several pieces were found at Tecacaxco and between it and Hueyatlaco. Engraved when it was fresh, the bone is now mineralized and this cannot be hoaxed. Quite easy to tell. Smithsonian exhibited it in 1960. You can believe they checked to make sure. It was showcased in one of the most famous LIFE covers on record, the one with Marilyn Monroe and Yves Montand, "Let's Make Love." So it was in good company.

If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer them.
Chris

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