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May 21, 2024, 11:53 am UTC    
June 21, 2006 11:24AM
Jim Stiinehart Wrote:

. In my view, Akhenadon viewed Adon as
> being the monotheistic manifestation of Egypt's
> old Sun god Rah.

You can't spell 'Ra' either. The Aten was the visible disk an aspect
of Ra.


The Hebrews generally did not
> view their deity, YHWH, as being a Sun god.

As far as I can tell we *never* identified our Lord with the Sun

The
> Hebrews' deity is very different than Akhenadon's
> deity.

Thank you for that. And it's Aken*ATEN* *not* Adon!

> Nevertheless, the Hebrew author of the
> Patriarchal narratives goes to some lengths to
> downplay the obvious, fundamental differences
> between early Hebrew religious thought and the
> peculiar religious views of Akhenadon. But the
> Hebrew author never tries to claim that the
> Hebrews were worshipping a Sun god.

Say what????

> 3. Rather than setting fire to your library of
> the secular history of ancient Egypt, I recommend,
> on the contrary that you add to that library, and
> re-read what you have in your library. None of my
> views knowingly contradict the underlying secular
> facts of the well-known secular history of the
> mid-14th century BCE. Of course, there is not a
> unanimous opinion among Egyptologists as to many
> of such items, but I believe that my views of the
> underlying secular facts of Amarna are, at least
> for the most part, well within the mainstream
> views.

I hate to disillusion you but I really, really doubt that.

> In particular:
>
> (a) Everyone knows that Akhenadon reigned for 17
> or 17 1/2 years.

Right.

> (b) Everyone knows that the Hittites took most of
> Syria and Lebanon during the first 15 years of
> Akhenadon's reign.

About right.

> (c) Everyone knows that the Hittites did not
> march south of Lebanon and invade Canaan.

We do?

> So I'm dealing with the same basic secular facts
> of the mid-14th century BCE as everyone else. If
> the Hebrews were in existence in the mid-14th
> century BCE,

A huge, enormous if. The earliest mention of the tribes of Israel is the
famous 'Israel Stela' which dates to very late 13th c. BCE and strongly
indicates - to me anyway - that our people are still wandering pastoralists.

it makes sense that the Hebrews would
> greatly appreciate the fact that under Akhenadon's
> reign, the dreaded Hittites did not in fact invade
> Canaan, though there was a very realistic risk
> that the Hittites would invade Canaan in the
> mid-14th century BCE under the greatest Hittite
> king of all time: Suppiluliuma I.

If you ask me they'd have been more likely to sign up as auxillaries to help loot
Canaanite cities.

> 4. On this thread, we'll see if Secret Amarna
> Number 17 1/2 is in the Patriarchal narratives,
> and in particular if Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2
> is connected in the Biblical text with the deaths
> of the three most beloved monotheists in the
> Patriarchal narratives: Abraham, Jacob/"Israel",
> and Joseph. Either the number 17 1/2, in a
> slightly disguised form, is there in the text, or
> it isn't.
>
It isn't.

> 5. I cannot change what the received text of the
> Patriarchal narratives in Genesis says. Either
> Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2 is there, or it
> isn't.

It isn't.
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Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2

Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 10:47AM

Huh?

Roxana Cooper June 20, 2006 02:16PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 03:09PM

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Roxana Cooper June 20, 2006 04:02PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 04:12PM

Re: Huh?

Katherine Reece June 20, 2006 05:45PM

Re: Huh?

John Wall June 20, 2006 06:04PM

Errrrr...Kat

Steve LeMaster June 21, 2006 11:13PM

Re: Errrrr...Kat

Rick Baudé June 24, 2006 08:20AM

Re: Huh?

Pete Clarke June 26, 2006 09:28AM

Re: Huh?

Roxana Cooper June 21, 2006 09:50AM

Re: Huh?

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 11:23AM

Re: Huh?

John Wall June 21, 2006 11:25AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 12:12PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 12:18PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 12:33PM

D vs. T in Egyptian

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 01:27PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 02:42PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 03:12PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:00PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 04:14PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:01PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:14PM

Unlucky Number 13

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:22PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 05:12PM

Unlucky Number 13

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:09PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 04:15PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:39PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 05:10PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 05:33PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 05:41PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 06:07PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 07:15PM

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Pete Clarke June 26, 2006 07:11AM

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Principia June 21, 2006 05:29PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 05:36PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:19PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:34PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 22, 2006 12:29AM

Re: Huh?

Joe_S June 21, 2006 12:04AM

Re: Huh?

Katherine Reece June 20, 2006 03:12PM

Re: Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2

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Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 03:39PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 09:36AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 10:30AM

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Roxana Cooper June 21, 2006 11:24AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 08:51PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 10:10AM

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Pacal June 21, 2006 08:42PM

Abraham's Death and the Number 17 1/2

Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 08:45AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 24, 2006 01:42PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 02:10PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 12:41PM

Tithing a "Tenth"

Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:36PM

EXACT???

Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 09:41AM

A Horrible Thought

Roxana Cooper June 22, 2006 02:25PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:41PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:52PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 23, 2006 02:08AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 23, 2006 07:12AM

Abraham's Death and the Number 17 1/2, Part II

Jim Stiinehart June 23, 2006 09:23AM

Abraham: The Number 17 1/2, When Abraham First Enters Canaan

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