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May 21, 2024, 10:17 am UTC    
June 21, 2006 11:23AM
Roxana Cooper Wrote:
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> The name is Akhen *aten* not *adon* which is of
> course Hebrew for 'Lord'.
> As usual I'm afraid I don't follow. What
> monotheistic leader is associated with
> the number 17 1/2?

Roxana:

1. The best-known name today of Egypt's only monotheistic pharaoh can be spelled in many different ways. I see it as being:

Akh-n-Adon.

Most people spell the first word "Akh", although Frederick Giles spells it "Ikh".

The second word is more controversial. Egyptologists like to spell it "itn". The two controversies are the initial vowel sound, and the first consonant sound. Remembering that Frederick Giles starts out the first word with an "I", it is unclear in English whether to transliterate this first sound with an "I" or an "A". It is usually transliterated with an "A", and that's the way I do it.

As to the first consonant sound, Joanne has stated that Egyptian had two "T" sounds and two "D" sounds. But all those sounds were similar, and a Hebrew would not necessarily make such fine distinctions, nor would a Hebrew necessarily want to pronounce a borrowed, foreign word exactly the way the native Egyptians did. So I see the "T"/"D" sound in the second word in Akhenadon's name as being very close to that sound in the Hebrew word "Adon" meaning "lord" or "Lord".

This is my own, unique spelling, Roxana. It is based on my controversial view, that is not agreed with by any mainstream scholar, that the Hebrew word "Adon" meaning "lord" or "Lord" is a borrowed word from Egyptian, being borrowed from the Egyptian word "Adon"/"Aton"/"Aten"/"itn", an Egyptian word which I view as meaning "Lord" in a religious context (though it started out meaning the sun overhead). The Hebrews did not borrow their religious views from Egypt, but I do see the Hebrews as borrowing several words from Egypt, including "Adon".

2. I see Abraham as being the most beloved early monotheist in the Bible. Is Abraham's death associated in the Biblical text with the peculiar number 17 1/2, which I have dubbed "Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2"?

We're looking in Genesis to see if the number 17 1/2 is directly reflected in the text regarding the death of Abraham, first and foremost, and also the deaths of Jacob/"Israel" and Joseph.

If Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2 is in the received text of the Patriarchal narratives, then that would be some support for my controversial theory that the Patriarchal narratives were composed in the mid-14th century BCE by a Hebrew author who was an insider at Amarna.

We're looking on this thread at the question of whether the peculiar number 17 1/2 is a match between Amarna and the Patriarchal narratives.

Jim Stinehart
Subject Author Posted

Secret Amarna Number 17 1/2

Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 10:47AM

Huh?

Roxana Cooper June 20, 2006 02:16PM

Re: Huh?

Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 03:09PM

Re: Huh?

Roxana Cooper June 20, 2006 04:02PM

Re: Huh?

Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 04:12PM

Re: Huh?

Katherine Reece June 20, 2006 05:45PM

Re: Huh?

John Wall June 20, 2006 06:04PM

Errrrr...Kat

Steve LeMaster June 21, 2006 11:13PM

Re: Errrrr...Kat

Rick Baudé June 24, 2006 08:20AM

Re: Huh?

Pete Clarke June 26, 2006 09:28AM

Re: Huh?

Roxana Cooper June 21, 2006 09:50AM

Re: Huh?

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 11:23AM

Re: Huh?

John Wall June 21, 2006 11:25AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 12:12PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 12:18PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 12:33PM

D vs. T in Egyptian

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 01:27PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 02:42PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 03:12PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 03:15PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 03:40PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 03:48PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:00PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 04:14PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 03:48PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 03:54PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 03:57PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:01PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 04:11PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:14PM

Unlucky Number 13

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:22PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 05:12PM

Unlucky Number 13

Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:09PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 04:15PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:39PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 05:02PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 05:10PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 05:33PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 05:41PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 06:07PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 07:15PM

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Pete Clarke June 26, 2006 07:11AM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 05:11PM

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Principia June 21, 2006 05:29PM

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John Wall June 21, 2006 05:31PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 05:36PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 21, 2006 04:19PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 04:34PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 22, 2006 12:29AM

Re: Huh?

Joe_S June 21, 2006 12:04AM

Re: Huh?

Katherine Reece June 20, 2006 03:12PM

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Joanne June 20, 2006 02:40PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 20, 2006 03:39PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 09:36AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 10:22AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 10:30AM

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Roxana Cooper June 21, 2006 11:24AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 11:50AM

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Rebby June 21, 2006 10:08AM

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Katherine Reece June 21, 2006 10:12AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 10:15AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 05:23PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 10:12AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 10:49AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 10:50AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 11:08AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 11:55AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 12:23PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 12:29PM

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goaten June 21, 2006 12:45PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 01:33PM

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Joe_S June 21, 2006 06:17PM

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Hans June 21, 2006 08:19AM

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Hans June 21, 2006 01:16PM

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Joe Schiller June 21, 2006 02:29PM

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Roxana Cooper June 21, 2006 02:41PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 21, 2006 02:44PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 03:33PM

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Joe Schiller June 21, 2006 08:02PM

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Katherine Reece June 21, 2006 08:18PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 21, 2006 08:51PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 10:10AM

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Pacal June 21, 2006 08:42PM

Abraham's Death and the Number 17 1/2

Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 08:45AM

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Rebby June 22, 2006 10:04AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 10:47AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 11:47AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 12:21PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 12:35PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 01:21PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 01:43PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 01:57PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 09:32AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 24, 2006 11:41AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 12:57PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 24, 2006 01:42PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 02:10PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 24, 2006 07:32PM

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Sam June 24, 2006 08:54PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 25, 2006 11:10AM

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Sam June 25, 2006 12:05PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 25, 2006 01:34PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 10:26AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 11:20AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 11:44AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 11:54AM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 11:59AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 12:27PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 22, 2006 12:41PM

Tithing a "Tenth"

Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:36PM

EXACT???

Warwick L Nixon June 24, 2006 09:41AM

A Horrible Thought

Roxana Cooper June 22, 2006 02:25PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:41PM

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Roxana Cooper June 22, 2006 03:36PM

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Roxana Cooper June 22, 2006 02:19PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 02:52PM

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Roxana Cooper June 22, 2006 03:39PM

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Jim Stiinehart June 22, 2006 05:23PM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 23, 2006 02:08AM

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Jim Stiinehart June 23, 2006 07:12AM

Abraham's Death and the Number 17 1/2, Part II

Jim Stiinehart June 23, 2006 09:23AM

Abraham: The Number 17 1/2, When Abraham First Enters Canaan

Jim Stiinehart June 23, 2006 04:27PM

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