February 26, 2006 07:08PM
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Researcher Wrote:
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> Your response is wanting.
??
>
> I said: A. You just contradicted yourself. First you say
> there was a differentiation between people from
> islands and those not. How can this be known if
> there was no distinct word for
> 'island'/'coastland'?
>
> You reply: I said that the same text is translated by modern
> interpreters variously as island and coastland
> -clearly there is no difference to the Ancient
> Egyptians.
You mean the Greek text? It's in _Greek_, not ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. Plus, you respond with the above even though I go on to write:
> me: B. The fact is, the AEs did have a word for
> 'island'/'coastland' which was differentiated
> depending on the context of such-and-such a
> report. The actual term ('iw') refers to a general
> notion of sequestered land, which could be read as
> an island or even mainland promontory. The
> specific glyhp associated with this is (Gardinder)
> N18. I was a bit taken aback by your somewhat
> authoritative position when you did not present
> this information when asked a dozen times.
>
> you reply: Yes, but how do we know the context of the
> Atlantis story?
You are not making a relevant crossover. The context of the Atlantis story written by Plato in Greek is not dependent on the use of the term for 'island' in ancient Egyptian. It would be if the tale was written in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. What you are doing is interpreting the use of 'island' by the Greeks but misinterpreting the use as though it was AE grammar.
> C. In effect, Alessandro Nibbi is incorrect in
> saying Egyptological students are taugth there is
> no word in AE for 'island'.
>
> I am sorry. I had no way of knowing this.
Now that you know, why not make the approproate amendment to your ideas instead of just acknowledging you didn't know?
> If we could come back to the matter at hand (as
> this discussion of 'island' and its sub-relevance
> are purely tangentious) the 'Sea People' came from
> the eastern Mediterranean. Note that the
> generalization of the description for such people
> - sans specificity of root homeland or local
> identification - means we do not know who they
> were talking about, only that they were refereing
> to people from the Mediterranean Sea. Widening
> this yet again into how it favors (or doesn't
> favor) an argument for a group that attacked /
> came to Egypt which spuriously 'supports' a loose
> interpretation of Plato we find it to be an empty
> line of reasoning.
>
> Yes, I know. I think they were mercanaries hired
> by the Libyans.
'Thinking' through the auspice of criss-cross interpretation is not the same as 'knowing' to a high degree. In any case, this line of debate is irrelevant. There is no actual Atlantis in the first place, only an amalgamated legend of truths, half-truths, and pure fantasy designed to teach a lesson.
> I wrote: There are already numerous responses in this
> thread pointing out that Plato created his tale to
> teach a certain aspect of the times in which he
> lived. In fact, the very act of dialogue was a
> teaching tool/style alone and not meant to
> re-enact an actual conversation. This is the art
> of rhetoric, of which Plato was a proliferate
> genius. In true form he amalgamated a stew of
> local legends into one in order to teach the
> pitfalls of society when set upon by power and
> greed. Doug Weller kindly and adroitly pointed out
> a proto element seen within the accounts of
> Timaeus and Critias - in other words, remnants and
> hintings of external myths (and even truths)
> brought into one story.
>
> your reply: Then it would be perfect, but it is not.
This makes no sense. If the internal parts of a myth/legend are of themselves inaccurate, then the whole cannot be 'perfect'.
I'll be stepping out now as this is a pointless debate from my perspective. If you can't get past 'Plato was making up a lesson to teach us something about society' you will continue to search for Atlantis. By all means, go right ahead. I merely gave my respsonses where the appeared appropriate - I am somewhat fluent in AE language and hieroglyphs. I saw the error and inserted proper, helpful information.
Best Regards,
R. Avry Wilson
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