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I'm just now reading Joanne Conman's book, "Ancient Egyptian Sky Lore" for the first time. I am wondering if anyone else has read this work and what their take has been.
While I believe that she is wildly off the mark in some respects, I don't know enough about Decan studies to assess her claims in this regard. Anyone well versed in this stuff?
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L Cooper
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Ancient Egypt
I did not.
"Ancient Egyptian Sky Lore: Rethinking the Conventional Wisdom" by Joanne Conman (2013)
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dougkeenan
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Ancient Egypt
dougkeenan Wrote:
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> The dynamite is mentioned in a book by Joanne
> Conman.
You didn't mean Joann Fletcher?
Google revealed the following:
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Sorry I cannot interpret your response.
The dynamite is mentioned in a book by Joanne Conman.
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dougkeenan
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Ancient Egypt
Life has been all things Egypt for Joanne Conman. It has been an
interesting journey that weaves together her passions which include
herbs, gem stones, jewelry, study, academic papers, and a soon to be
published book, which she's excited about. She's a woman with
something to say.
Coming out in early spring, her book will examine Egyptology's
Astronomical Fantasies. It will
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Robert Bauval Wrote:
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" I am not insisting that I am the one who is correct. But we cannot all be correct about the target for aligning pyramids. "
but we can all agree that they were intentionally aligned to THE cardinal points
"So We must rely at the evidence, even if that evidence contradicts our assumptions. It has
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient Egypt
I am not insisting that I am the one who is correct. But we cannot all be correct about the target for aligning pyramids.
So We must rely at the evidence, even if that evidence contradicts our assumptions. It has always been assumed that the pyramid builders were trying to align to true north, but the EVIDENCE, at least the textual evidence, suggest that thethey were aiming at the Big Dip
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Robert Bauval
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Ancient Egypt
(Scroll down) Online course ($250) Begins Sept 2010 - Teacher: Joanne Conman
There is a misconception among academics, Egyptologists, and astronomers, as well as astrologers, that astrology did not exist in Egypt until the Late Period, and that it was introduced to Egypt from Babylon and Persia. This is not true. Astrology’s roots appear to go back over 4000 years ago to Egypt. Understanding w
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Morph Wrote:
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> Yes there was some concern in Mesopotamia that the
> various layers of the Heavens and Earth might
> float away from their positions, so they had the
> notion of the bound central mooring post holding
> all together, but generally they seem to have
> liked to see things in terms of fixed pathways and
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Anthony Wrote:
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> There is every reason to think they saw the
> "dome", as she Joanne might have been referring,
> as a watery fluid, and all of the objects
> traversed it. Nothing was "spinning". Light and
> dark were the result of the sun being either on
> one side or the other.
>
>
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Joanne Conman cited no AE texts that clearly support her idea – it remains an unsubstantiated opinion.
J.P. Allen:
“There is no evidence that the Pyramid Texts envisioned either the upper or lower sky as anything but stationary. The sky itself does not move: what moves are its inhabitants, the sun and stars, that cross it by day and night. Passages that mention “the two skies” and the
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> Hermione: “Although IIRC Neugebauer is today
> occasionally regarded with doubt in some quarters
> ...”
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> Your statement as it stands casts doubt on
> Neugebauer’s association of sAH with the stars of
> Orion, so it needs some clarification.
At the time, I couldn't remember the
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Hermione: “Although IIRC Neugebauer is today occasionally regarded with doubt in some quarters ...”
Your statement as it stands casts doubt on Neugebauer’s association of sAH with the stars of Orion, so it needs some clarification.
Joanne Conman has a theory concerning the ‘hour star’ (decan) scheme that is different from Neugebauer’s. However, 5 stars listed in her scheme belong to
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
"R.O. Faulkner, E.A.W. Budge, Marshall Clagett
...or... Vitruvious…"
If that's the sum total of your research I can see where you might be having difficulty
Sorry...my bet’s on the last fellow...at least he knew how many days for planets to orbit the SUN...not Earth...! "
what he knew about the planets has absolutely nothing to do with what the AE's thought
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient Egypt
further to the recent Loooong sub thread, dealing with the question of whether Anthony's Sakovich's theory is fatally flawed....
MJ Thomas wrote"I apologise for the lack of detail in the above but I hope I have given enough of an outline to give some idea of why (in part) I argue that AS's theory is wrong with regard to the QC shafts - and consequently wrong about the KC sh
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient Egypt
Greg Reeder Wrote:
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> I like his theory. I also like Joanne Conman's
> theory:
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> "Speculation on Special Sunlight and the Origin
> of the wSAw Hour"
Hello Greg,
Thanks for providing the link, much appreciated.
> I think both theories may add to our understanding
> and even open up ot
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MJ Thomas 2
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Ancient Egypt
I like his theory. I also like Joanne Conman's theory:
"Speculation on Special Sunlight and the Origin of the wSAw Hour"
See here:
" I propose that the shafts in Khufu's pyramid are in reality one path that runs from south to north, passing through the king's chamber. There was no intent to align with any stars. Instead, the intent was to align with the s
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Greg Reeder
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Joanne Conman wrote about Shai and also wrote about him on this list. You might do a search. I don't know if Joanne's paper on Shai is still online somewhere?
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Greg Reeder
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I'll do my best to address the salient points in your post, Chris. You've spanned quite a wide field here, though, so doing it all in one post is going to be difficult to say the least.
Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> AS: “How about we start with the ONLY god to be
> attested within the funerary structure of Khufu at
> Giza
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Anthony
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Chris Tedder Wrote:
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> Many years ago we discussed here on the HoM,
> another intriguing, but highly speculative theory
> on the purpose of the shafts by Joanne Conman, who
> introduced the interesting idea that the shafts
> were actually one path that runs from south to
> north:
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> “I propose that the sha
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
AS: “How about we start with the ONLY god to be attested within the funerary structure of Khufu at Giza? There is only one god that is unambiguously linked to this particular king at the exact time he reigned over Egypt. Naturally, that one god is Khnum, and his name was part of the name of the king found in the cartouches left by the workers in multiple places on and in the pyramid. It is also
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Chris Tedder
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Anyone interested in the Ancient Egyptian decans might find this brief description and discussion of some help. That site also mentions Joanne Conman's study of the decans, "It's About Time: Ancient Egyptian Cosmology," (Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur, Band 31, 2003), which is well worth reading.
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Hermione
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Ancient Egypt
Graham,
I like it. ( for now )
Along with some of the conclusions Joanne Conman made in "Speculation on Special Sunlight And the Origin of the wSAw Hour" your ideas help give a unified theory to the purpose of the shafts.
Read Conman's paper if you have not. Could the shafts be also symbols of the arms of Shu supporting the two halves of the sky and at the same be the
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Greg Reeder
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Ancient Egypt
this is a job for Joanne Conman. I do not know of anyone better qualifed to edit the Wikipedia article
Warwick
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Warwick L Nixon
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Ancient Egypt
All extremely interesting. Great work by Joanne.
I have question concerning this statement...
The Carlsberg scribe tells us that all the decan stars rise in the place where the sun rises, a place he calls the msqt region. It is a region on the eastern horizon bounded by the sun's most northerly point of rising and its most southerly point of rising, reached around the time of summer an
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Sam
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Ancient Egypt
CONMAN, J. Speculation on Special Sunlight and the Origin of the wSAw Hour
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Greg Reeder
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Ronald Wrote:
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> I find it very amusing that so much has been
> written on the shafts pointing at the stars and on
> the pharaoh's soul getting out of the pyramid,
> while, if you are right, actually the shafts were
> made to let something in .....
>
About two years ago Joanne Conman held a talk at the
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Jeff van Hout
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Ancient Egypt
JS: "I remember reading something Joanne Conman posted a couple of years ago arguing that sAH was not a single star or asterism but a region on the Horizon where Sirius and other stars rose. This would make sense in terms of sAH being the "Father of the Gods".
You think that makes sense? Have you actually read the PTs?
"The sky shall conceive you with Orion (sAH),
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Chris Tedder
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Ancient Egypt
QuoteIts more a question of what is more or less likely. Its likely that Sah (sAH, 'Orion'), 'father of the gods' in the earliest PTs, was the personification of the large distinctive constellation of Orion, and Sopdet (spdt, 'Sirius') the personification of Sirius, the brightest star in their sky after the sun.
I remember reading something Joanne Conman posted a c
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Joe_S
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